MP: VS League

[Executor]

Quite possibly, however I believe that in 1vs1 players should not disclose nations until the game starts.
Otherwise you'll plan a strategy on what the other nation is.

That how I played 1vs1 games before and it was damn interesting, except when I was playing against Kailasa cause I got crushed every single time, damn awe...

[rdonj]

Originally Posted by Frozen Lama

obviously a skilled player can win with anyone in theory, but it seems that in blitz games certain nations, especially bless nations get a whole lot stronger, even with easy research, unless the map is pretty huge. I could be wrong here, but i don't think easy research makes up for some nations that are horrible in the early game.

In noobs vs vets there are a few nations over 300 research right now... on turn 8. With easy research starting at 20 research for level 1, if you gain a lot of mileage out of a little research you can do pretty well for yourself with that kind of research.

[Frozen Lama]

Originally Posted by Executor

Quite possibly, however I believe that in 1vs1 players should not disclose nations until the game starts.
Otherwise you'll plan a strategy on what the other nation is.

That how I played 1vs1 games before and it was damn interesting, except when I was playing against Kailasa cause I got crushed every single time, damn awe...

Ok, i agree, if the nations are hidden until the start, it could work. The only thing with this, is if we did a tournement as DakaSha suggested, it would be by player not nation/player. and i suppose if both players picked the same nation, they could just pick again.

[DakaSha]

uhm i thought about the whole nation being disclosed until start thing but i think exactly the opposite...

if you have a nation that just randomly happens to be good against another nation (or have an appropriate pretender/strategy worked out) then the opposing nation is doomed (with 2 semi-equal players). also it would just be luck in happening to have that nation vs the other... no strategy involved

if you know the other nation then you can design your strategy to:

a) work well against the other nation
b) counter the other nations strengths


in any sports match the "weaker" team must use the opposing teams weaknesses to full extent while using there own strengths.

both teams know who they are playing against.

i also think that the whole pretender/strategy design before the game starts would be an interesting and important factor then.

'hmm im a demon nation against very strong priests... what do i do to minimize the problem or even turn it to my advantage'

(in fact in my current game against zapmeister thats exactly whats going on... and im in the advantage as the demons :P)

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at least thats how i see it.

in theory it could also just be upon agreement of the two players (and if there is no agreement then either a default that we agree on or randomness)

[DakaSha]

Quite possibly, however I believe that in 1vs1 players should not disclose nations until the game starts.
Otherwise you'll plan a strategy on what the other nation is.

see thats exactly what i would find interesting :P

it would also (by default) lead to many new strategy guides or exploits being discovred (my point is that i hate exploits so they should be removed :P )

[DakaSha]

i would like to hear arguments for/against both options though. this would be a community thing so its not just automatically my decision

[Frozen Lama]

I think it kind of needs to be tested. if we find that some nations just have zero chance in an even match playerwise, we might need to make it anonymous.

for tournaments i think it would be really cool to have a bracket like playoffs and have each person select a nation, so obviously that wouldn't be anonymous.

[DakaSha]

see the way i see it is if that a nation has zero chance against another nation he is going to have a negative chance if he cant prepare. testing should be done of course... so start some games people :P

[DakaSha]

an example would be LA ermor with 10 dominion and the worst scales.
he is going to run over anybody really.

but if i KNOW its ermor i can prepare... also have 10 dominion (since i can assume hes going to use his dominion) to keep his out of my lands. make sure to create a pretender that can help deal with loads of undead (be it through items, magic, summons... whatever)

if i dont even know who im playing im toast

[Frozen Lama]

As i said abouve, i'm too busy to be in any more games now or else i would. sorry

how long does a duel usually take?

Edit: ouch i didn't even think of LA ermor in a duel... ugly