Slave Collar use

[Tifone]

...imho even Kailasa...

[Alneyan]

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

There are several nations that are eminently playable with turmoil. Mictlan, Ermor, LA Goth, to name a few.

I'm not sure what you're responding to? Your list still means most nations are going to go with Order 3, and those nations do not have any particular interest of going for Order 0 as opposed to going for full Turmoil 3 + Fortune, whereas Order 0 (and Order 1, to a much lesser extend) makes for a nice 'have your Maenads and (most of) your money too' scenario for Pangaea.