DangerPudding - random nations EA game (finished)

[zlefin]

pangaea staled? they just ended the nap though; why end a nap then stale?
my offer to just call the game and let Ich decide who the winner is by looking at everyone's positions stands

[Corwin]

C'mon, the fun is just about to start. We are going to have some huge and intersting battles ahead of us.

Fomoria currently has the most advantage in all grpahs. But Giants have proven to be a tough nut to crack, and they have massive gem producing items economy and the Forge.

To Truidji: It's a pity that Tien Chi has stalled, but it is actually very benefitial to you, since now you only have two active oppoennts to deal with. Which is ok with me.

Personally I am fine with pausing the game and looking for new subs, as long as it would not take forever.

Just my two cents

-Corwin

[Tuidjy]

I think this game is very interesting, but it will be less so if the small
nations get out of it. An alliance of TNN, TC and Pangea could take the
winner of the R'lyeh+Fomoria vs Niefelheim war... My only problem with TC
was the damn wall of temples. I could make peace with them.

Can we hear from the players who stalled? Would they object to giving the nation
to someone else?

[LoloMo]

I'm still in the game!

[Corwin]

Guys, it looks like I won't be able to continue the game anymore. My project at work has been taking increasengly large ammount of time, I have been barely making my turns for the last few turns without stalling - sometimes uploading turns few minutes before the host.

Another major factor is that frankly I think Giants have won this game. I can play cat and mouse game with them for the next 50 turns, but time is working for them due to their Forge of Ancients. According to R'leyh it was casted with 500+ earth gems, so it can't realistically be dispelled - not with my earth income at least.

Giants also have Chalice and they have at least 4 times more SCs that my nation has. And their Tartarians can be equiped almost for free. Those thay I have encountered so far routinely spot things like Rings of Wizardly, et cetera.

Last but not least, Giants have at least 2 Serpahs that they have wished for, and these things eat regular tartarians for breakfast. Finally Giants have all best battle artifacts, including Gate Stone, Mage Bane, Astral Boots, et cetera.

I have enough power to stall Giants for a very long time, but stalling will only work to their advantage. I knew I had to attack or abandon any hope of wining this war. Last turn I have thrown many of my best troops against 3 Giants castles, demolishing their walls in one turn, while blocking nearby castles to prevent non-teleporting reinforcements. I was hoping that when facing 3 sudden storms at the same time Giants will have to split their forces,so I would be able to get least one of these castle

It was not the case. Giants have repelled all three atempts, killing a lot of my troops and SCs in the process.

Perhaps there is a chance that giants could still be stopped, if all other nations would act together against them and do it in good coordination.

I did my best to form such coalition, but while the relults looked good on paper (3 major races against Giants), in reality I don't think R'leyh and Tine Chi were very active in this war, for whatever reasons. They have distructed Giants a little, but not much. I have expected R'lyeh to at least kick Giants out of the water by now, but alas, it did not happen.

I am not sure what Pangeya up to, I was hoping they will join the coalition, as they have hinted they might, but I haven't seen them fighing giants. TNN is just silent, he has not replied to any of my messages.

All in all, considering that I am in severe time crunch, and considering the situation in the game, I think the future of this game is determined - Giants have won.

They have played well, I commend their leader. Forge and "turtling" is not very exciting tactic but it is very efficient, I give them that. And Tuidji have proven to be a very good tactician and strategist, my compliments.

I have not lost a Dom3 game in a long time, but I have do admit my defeat in this one, even though I have only been playing it as a sub for the last 10 turns. I wish I would have been in this game from the beginning, I can't help but think that I would have planned things differently. Oh well...

Anyway, that's just my personal vision of the situation in the game. If you guys feel that there is still some hope left you may put the game on pause and look for another sub. Fomoria still has enough forces left to repell any Giants attmepts to take my castles and raid my lands for a very long time. But I don't think anything I can do at this point will affect the final outcome.

[Tuidjy]

The giants have absolutely no interest in raiding Fomoria, or trying to take over
their castles. We are, and remain peaceful. If you consider yourself chastised,
and apologize for your aggression and your mistreatment of our peasantry, we will
gladly sign a peace treaty.

After all, we still have to kick R'lyeh out of the water... we cannot allow these
hot drink lovers easy access to the materials for their abominable practices.

And frankly, you underestimate your alliance. Tien Chi just killed one of our
best equipped commanders, and captured the Astral Boots and the Unquenched Sword.
Well, that happened because he did not manage to kill off the hundreds of
unconscious enemies before union rules just popped him into inexistance, but hey,
he's still dead, and the artifacts gone.

As for R'lyeh, they have been fighting us. He did attack us everywhere he could,
and is besieging a castle of ours as we speak. It's just that his Pretender
got turned into sushi, and our Pretender borrowed his castle cracking troops for a
pet project of his, but forgot that most could not breath air.

[Corwin]

Tuidjy said:
The giants have absolutely no interest in raiding Fomoria, or trying to take over
their castles. We are, and remain peaceful. If you consider yourself chastised,
and apologize for your aggression and your mistreatment of our peasantry, we will
gladly sign a peace treaty.

After all, we still have to kick R'lyeh out of the water... we cannot allow these
hot drink lovers easy access to the materials for their abominable practices.

And frankly, you underestimate your alliance. Tien Chi just killed one of our
best equipped commanders, and captured the Astral Boots and the Unquenched Sword.
Well, that happened because he did not manage to kill off the hundreds of
unconscious enemies before union rules just popped him into inexistance, but hey,
he's still dead, and the artifacts gone.

As for R'lyeh, they have been fighting us. He did attack us everywhere he could,
and is besieging a castle of ours as we speak. It's just that his Pretender
got turned into sushi, and our Pretender borrowed his castle cracking troops for a
pet project of his, but forgot that most could not breath air.

I didn't see any of these battles with R'leh and Tien Chi, but I will take your word for it. But no many provinces have changed hands in these wars - in fact I think you were gaining provinces on the other fronts.

As for appologizing for my agression - you can't be serious. The recent experience just proves that I was absolutely right to attack you, and so are Tien Chi and R'lyeh. If anything I regret that I haven't done it earlier - but with Sauromatian AI chewing my *** I was not really in position to fight 2 fronts war earlier. I also should not buy your clever propoganda about how weak you are, and agree not to cast population killing spells. Blanketing your entire territory with Black Plagues would go some way toward undercutting your income. Although most likely it would not make much difference at that point - with Forge and mountains of clams/stones you are on gem economy anyway.


All in all, you were simply too strong and too dangerious to be left alone, and we were too late to stop you. And even in its Dom3 version, Forge is one of the two "I won" Global, especially in the long game on the large map, such as ours. Whoever casts this spell should expect to take on the world and win. (just like you did)

[Drake49]

I would be willing to sub for you....

primarily because I want to see what another player uses for end-game. I have created my own end-game wierdness that seems to be doing well in the only end-game I am in. I'm not talking Alexander, I have one other MP game that is on Turn 86 and I have a decent chance of winning, despite one major desperate attempt to sabotage myself at the last second.

Anyway, I am familiar with basic end-game tactics, Ghost Riders, Send Horror, Tartinians, Forge(though it is my ally, and my primary source of confidence in the other game), Wish, teleport/stealth raiders, and the extreme difficulty of castle storming.

I would also be willing to temp for a week and give it back to you.

[Tuidjy]

Drake49, I want to warn you that I will answer any use of Mists of Deception
by starting to use every cheat or exploit I know. If you would like an
explanation I'd gladly give it to you.

Otherwise, welcome to the war. I think that Corwin's lack of time is a lot more
to blame for his bleak view of the situation than what has actually been
happening in the war. I am hurting a lot, especially now that Tien Chi's
main force has arrived on the scene, and is cracking castles in one turn.

If you need the turn delayed in order to get a better picture of the situation,
and renew Fomoria's diplomatic relations, I'm OK with it. Hell, if you want to
talk peace, I'm fine with it too, but I think that Corwin has managed to
convince everyone that I am so damn powerful I need to be stopped.

In any case, I would like to sign an agreement with you not to do anything that
kills population. I like to think that mine is a just and benevolent rule, and
that the civilian population has a hard enough time without being killed off by
various spells, pillaging, overtaxing, or patrolling.

[Corwin]

I disagree, I stand by my assesment. If there would be any real hope of victory for Fomoria in this war I would continue playing, despite my severe time crunch. But I have been playing Dom MP for 3 years, and I know hopeless situation when I see it.

If I would take over all nations in the game and would have unlimited time, maybe (and this is big "maybe") the would be a small chance of stalemate (For example if other nations have strong astral reserves/clams hordes, perhaps I would manage to cast Arcane Nexus so strong that even Giants will all their clams would not be able to dispell it quickly).

But anything less then perfect coordination of all remaining nations and total dedication of all resources against Giants, and they will win - I have no doubts whatsoever.

Anyway, it's up to you guys to decide on the future of this game, I am just sharing my vision fo the situation. Let me know what you want to do.

Good game everyone!