Are there any female SE4 players?

[capnq]

My wife thinks this forum has a somewhat prepubertal male touch!

And the references to "girls" and "chicks" in this thread are really helping to dispel that opinion.

Some women will take offense at being called "ladies", for that matter.

[Chronon]

Stone Mill, I think you're right that SEIV will probably continue to have a mostly male following. But I think it's more to do with the style of game rather than the overall Sci-Fi theme. I know plenty of women who are big fans of Star Trek (Picard and Spock are special Favorites). Not too many of them are really interested in conquering the galaxy, however.

Games like Civilization, which are rewarding for "builders" (ie have a victory condition that is not dependent on war) have more appeal for women because it's not just about who has the biggest military. I'm actually kind of surprised that SEIV doesn't have a "peaceful" victory condition (Civ and Alpha Centauri do). I'd love to see something like 'transcendence' in SEV; it's a tried and true Sci-Fi theme, and it would be a fun alternative to Last empire standing.

PS I enjoyed Fried Green Tomatoes, myself, more than, say, Star Trek I, V, Generations, or the Last two Star Wars movies...

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Ragnarok:
Ohhh, Geo got beat by a girl?!?! Nothing wrong with that. Girls are good at games too.

The worst part wasn't that she was a girl, the worst part was that she was half my age. Oh the shame...

[Stone Mill]

Posted by Chronon:

PS I enjoyed Fried Green Tomatoes, myself, more than, say, Star Trek I, V, Generations, or the Last two Star Wars movies...

Blasphemer!!! Guards, seize him!!!



Just kidding! Ok, not to start a debate on the movies (which may fit into another thread), I can see your point. My post on this was more of a personal story. You have great ideas; esp. the transcendence ending.

Without meaning to offend anyone by making a generalization based on my personal experience:

Women don't really care for role-playing games that much either, which is too bad, bacause they add a great dynamic.

Women and Sci-Fi: kind of like BigFoot. I've heard of them and seen some pictures (like at Sci-Fi conventions) but I've never personally encountered one up close.

As for the whole gender thing, I don't consider this a "guys" club. Heck, I think of most of you as aliens.

[DarkHorse]

Originally posted by Chronon:
I'm actually kind of surprised that SEIV doesn't have a "peaceful" victory condition (Civ and Alpha Centauri do). I'd love to see something like 'transcendence' in SEV; it's a tried and true Sci-Fi theme, and it would be a fun alternative to Last empire standing.

SEIV has at least two peaceful victory conditions, it's just that no one ever uses them. Galaxy at peace for x years, and First to score of xx.

[ December 16, 2002, 19:39: Message edited by: DarkHorse ]

[Ragnarok]

Women and Sci-Fi: kind of like BigFoot. I've heard of them and seen some pictures (like at Sci-Fi conventions) but I've never personally encountered one up close.

Nice example. But Bigfoot is a hoxe(sp?) The guy that made it up died and his family is finally admitting to it all. I'm sure you all knew it was fake anyways but this is just further proof. Ok, you guys can back to your subject now.

And geo, as far as half your age... Just wait till I finally get my hands against you.

[Suicide Junkie]

SEIV has at least two peaceful victory conditions, it's just that no one ever uses them. Galaxy at peace for x years, and First to score of xx.

There's also the "X years have elapsed".

[Chronon]

SJ and DarkHorse, those are good points. I had forgotten about those conditions, and I really shouldn't have - considering that I use x% of other player's score when I play the AI.

In any case, even in games like Civ with the spaceship victory, most of the multiplayer games I've played with human opponents (or for SEIV, perhaps I should say sentient beings?) end in some kind of conquest victory. That can be fun, but for some reason those very rare transcendence victories are even more fun (perhaps because of their rarity?).

Stone Mill - Somehow I thought my comments about the movies might stir up the hornets' nest a little.

Those are just my preferences, and I'm sure there are as many different opinions about them as participants in these forums. I'd be happy to have a friendly discussion of movies in another thread, if you're interested.

[Shoujo]

Originally posted by Stone Mill:
Without meaning to offend anyone by making a generalization based on my personal experience:

Women don't really care for role-playing games that much either, which is too bad, bacause they add a great dynamic.

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Things've changed (I hope), but if guys'd tried to put me in things like bikini armor, I wouldn't care for role-playing either... Pizza stains and empty cans of Mountain Dew don't exactly help the image of the stereotypical RPer either...

[Suicide Junkie]

Chronon:
You can also do the "Player has 100% of tech areas researched"

That would be pretty transcendant, I think.
You could even toss in a new tech area, "transcendance" that requires all other techs maxxed out as a prerequisite.