Scenario: NaV II, MP game or Scenario

[Septimius Severus]

Thanks Blackguard and Gandalf. Yes, I can understand why some might say NaV II does qualify or seems more scenario like than most of your run of mill MP games what with custom AI pretenders, magic items, starting troops, pre-placed units, hand placed magic sites, pre-made teams and specstarts, specially modified provinces, a storyline and themes, thematic pretender choices, a human played mercenary nation, "The Gimp", etc. NaV II seems to have all the makings of one and all the flavor of MP and SP combined. Yes, Gandalf, I agree. NaV seems to have it all.

But many MP games now make use of mods and/or a modified .map (which is really what makes a scenario a "scenario", the image file is just a graphic). So they can't all be scenarios.

Wasn't really advertising it here (it is posted and advertised in the MP forum) although if it does qualify as a scenario it probably would not have been improper to have done so. Just had that question and didn't want to break any rules using the scenario thread tag in the MP forum where the game is posted.

NaV II does seem to be both an MP game and a "scenario", but might be best as Gandalf says to tag it as MP at least before the game ends otherwise I'd need to post the .map file after the game is over so others could use it. Thanks for your help dudes.

[Sombre]

NaV II is also easy to clean, you simply snap it open and rinse it with cold water, and it's ready to play moments later. It's as easy as 1 2 3!

It's hard to say whether such a brilliant game with so many features could even be accurately described as a scenario - it's really more of an experience. Perhaps we should discuss this.

Btw links to the NaV II threads:

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=45227

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showp...31&postcount=2

[Septimius Severus]

Originally Posted by Sombre

NaV II is also easy to clean, you simply snap it open and rinse it with cold water, and it's ready to play moments later. It's as easy as 1 2 3!

It's hard to say whether such a brilliant game with so many features could even be accurately described as a scenario - it's really more of an experience. Perhaps we should discuss this.

Btw links to the NaV II threads:

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=45227

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showp...31&postcount=2

If only I had the artistic talents, time, and patience to make the map fit more with my ideas, but as random maps go, it works pretty well. Much about scenarios is really in the imagination anyway such as in a Rome Total War scenario, that puts you in a certain place at a certain point in history with certain units at your disposal, and arranged just so. I suppose at some point I could use graphical portions of existing maps (with permission of course) or as many do, convert maps from other arenas, to place for instance a forest themed team in a completely forested area, and a mountain themed team in a mountainous area, etc. Finding existing maps that meet all my requirements to the letter is fairly difficult, hence the random map route.

[Gandalf Parker]

Games that just use maps and mods wouldnt be a scenario to me. Not if the map can be used without the mod or the mod can be used with any map.

It would need to be more like "Antilarium" map and mod combo
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showt...524#post630524
where they are designed, and pretty much require, being used together. Same with game parameter switches. Or maps that require certain nations be used for purposes of scenario such as well-fortified and improved AIs.

Part of the failure of the "scenario" command for Dom3 is that it should allow setting all of those, and enforce their use instead of having to include lots of instructions and warnings to make it work as single download package.

[Sombre]

That reply makes perfect sense!

Thank you for reading my post!

[Ballbarian]

Originally Posted by Sombre

That reply makes perfect sense!

Thank you for reading my post!

I believe he was giving you the benefit of the doubt and assumed that you were making reference to the fact that he used a random map , i.e., "It's as easy as 1 2 3!"

I enjoy sarcasm when it is applied minimally, but you tend to wield it like a blunt weapon.

[Gandalf Parker]

I dont mind generated maps. Most maps use SOMETHING to ease the road.

And even a generated map can have alot of work put into it. Tweaking neighbors, doing logical names, altering the color on plains or waste to make them obviously different, adding caves, putting in special items like bridges or port provinces. Maybe even making it wrap.

If someone does a generated map and puts lots of work into it, and then want it to gain more acceptance (like getting it listed on the map lists) then I recommend looking into some of the filters in paint programs. Posterizing, Lightening, or Sepia, can give it a drawn map look.

[Sombre]

That saddens me, because I post for your enjoyment.

[Septimius Severus]

I didn't take offense and I am sure we are all beyond excess sarcasm, snobishness, and thinking that we know everything. My goal was to get input on the scenario concept and other questions and with the help of all those who responded, I have gained a better insight.

[Sombre]

Apparently we aren't all beyond being passive aggressive though?

It doesn't really seem like there was any input on the 'scenario concept' that isn't obvious. Seems more like you just wanted to advertise your game. That's cool, I have nothing against that. But maybe some honesty?