plz combine europe universalis: Rome and dom 3

[Zeldor]

Ballbarian:

EU:Rome is even worse than EU. Like EU3 could get like 3/4 out of 10 Rome would get 2/3 out of 10 max. Really, Europa Universalis is a game with good idea but poor design. Even historical accuracy is not there.

[Saxon]

I think on this one, it is going to be a matter of opinion. The EU series is great. Not perfect, but great. Reminds me of another game that has some problems but is great none the less. Starts with a �D��

[Sombre]

I enjoyed EU 2. It didn't have the most thrilling gameplay but it let you do things that no other games do.

[Aezeal]

I haven't played those older EU games, I read some reviews and heard you could conquer part of the world with most nations. In Rome you are somewhat limited (maybe a bit too much) to what could realisticly happen. a small nation (which starts with one province) won't grom much larger than a few provinces in a 100 years (and that is a few hours of playing)

yesterday I started playing a barbarian tribe.. lol.. basicly I could do nothing.. not enough civilization to colonize surrounding lands, not really able to gather enough military to conquer anything (it was a tribe in portugal, only neighbour: cartaghe (?) which started with about 20 provinces and high civilization compared to my 2.

Zeldor: rome seems historically accurate. you can start on any DAY you want to in the period between pyrric war and the first emperor and some reveiw checked a few things and those seemed to fit. but I admit the game is a bit slow which is why combining it would be nice..

but it is kewl that for example my general send otu to conquer far away lands (another weak country) suddenly decided to keep those far away lands for himself (I hadn't payed attention to his loyalty in a while.. then I noticed he wouldn't split his troops anymore (make a 2nd army) and later I got a message that he had started a rebellion...

hey sombre.. let me know when you are ready

[Zeldor]

Aezeal:

Yeah, EU series is fun unless you are a Dominions player or someone that wants to spend more time on it. Dom3 of cousr is far from being balanced but in EU what do you have? In EU:Rome there are probably 2-3 playable nations. Remaining ones are pretty much useless. You need 1-2 hours on fastest game speed to be able to colonise one province.
EU3 has also only few playable nations. And there are some nations that have hidden 'lucky' tag. And France and England are always there. People would of course say that nations were not equal in history but EU is not historically accurate.
EU series pretends to be historical, but only people with quite limited knowledge can be fooled by that. Province names are fine as it concerns western europe. Where you need to spend at least 5 minutes to verify and look at historical atlas they tend to be really strange. Also you get science penalties for belonging to non-western tech group. And you also get weaker units if you are not that group. So it takes you more time to research weaker troops. And it is quite common knowledge that in eastern europe cavalry was really better than in west. And here west has everything better and faster.
And you can go on and on with interface, diplomatic system, peace signing mechanics etc etc. Dominions is far from perfect but still 3x better than EU series.

So the thing that you want is dominions with historical races, technological research, more resources and more buildings. So you'd need to replace magic sites with constructable things and magic gems with wood, iron etc. But doing normal research that would increase efficiency, upgrade weapons for units etc etc would be impossible with that engine.

[Humakty]

I used to play EU2, and I did not like the cultural penalties. Sadly, in EU3, it is even worse, as they added units difference, wich increase the penalties if you don't play west european.
In the same time, they stripped off all the historical details and events of EU2, making of this game a sort of random pseudo-historical simulator.
The final touch, and what makes this game a total wreck, are the numerous bugs : I have played 5 EU3 games, and all of them ended with a fatal bug.
So, why would someone want to have dom 3 look like EU3 ?

[Sombre]

Aezeal said:
hey sombre.. let me know when you are ready

I started yesterday, it should be finished tomorrow.

[Twan]

Note that, if someone (with huge c++ knowledge) want to try, Paradox is now releasing the sourcecode of their old engine (the 2d one of eu2/ck/hoi etc) to members of their community who want to make their own versions and sell them on gamersgate.

But I rather doubt the engine is usable for a dom-like pausable real time game. Considering the years of patching Paradox needed just to make some of their games playable, I can't imagine how many a game of the complexity of dominions and using their kind of code would need.

[theenemy]

You should keep in mind that the nations in EU series weren't intended to be equal. The EU series have always been about setting up your own goals and if you are playing a weaker nation you just have to cope with it. And I like it. The game can be tiresome if you are playing it to long in one session though.However, I wouldn't want a mixture between Dom3 and EU. Dom3 is already tough as it is, adding more complexity would kill the game for me.

[Zeldor]

theenemy:

Nah, it is way beyond that. Penalties for research, ahistorically weak troops for some nations, bad manpower, bad provinces.
And all that wouldn't be so bad if game was enjoyable. But most of the time you fight against interface and stupid game mechanics, not other nations. Especially when it comes to trying to sign peace and calculating war score. Any small border wars just don't work. You need total annihilation to take just 1 province. And if you are losing you can just offer white peace 100 times and it will randomly get through after some time.