OFF TOPIC - The IOC sucks. - Page 2

Quikngruvn · #11 July 14th, 2001, 07:05 AM

To heck with communism, give me my western-style capitalism any day of the week (and the idealist in me is socialist anyway!).

Supposedly the Beijing Games will force China to be more open about human rights, etc. I'll believe it when I see it.

Quingruvn

Phoenix-D · #12 July 14th, 2001, 09:18 AM

The IOC has done this sort of thing before. 1936 Olympics were in- Berlin.

Phoenix-D

CaptSpoogy · #13 July 14th, 2001, 04:00 PM

I wasn't really commenting about communism - more or less the IOC's poor decision in choosing Beijing as host. It sucks. I guess Toronto will have to wait until 2012 or 2016 to run again. (PS, We ran for 1996 and lost to Atlanta by a slim margin too).

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Puke · #14 July 14th, 2001, 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
The IOC has done this sort of thing before. 1936 Olympics were in- Berlin.

Phoenix-D

yeah, and they WOULD have held the games a few years ago in Salt Lake City, mainly becaues the mormons got them good 'escorts' during the little get-togethers where they show off what a swell place they have. I didnt think the press made as big of a deal about that one as they should have.

i guess the IOC does suck.

edit: disclaimer, this is not an anti mormon post. I have nothing against any perticular religion. this post is intended soley to slander the IOC and the ruling body of Utah, which happens to be Mormon.

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Noble713 · #15 July 14th, 2001, 11:23 PM

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Originally posted by rdouglass:
The layman's explination of capitalism / socialism / communism:

Capitalism: You have a cow and a bull (not a steer of course - something fertile!!). You breed the two, use / sell the milk and calves and pay a tax.

Socialism: You have a cow and a bull. The goernment takes all milk and calves.

Communism: You NEVER HAD a cow and a bull!!!

My favorite government type is the fascist corporate state (I'm serious BTW). It's great if done properly, and it's like a realist's Version of communism.

The government gives you a cow. You make milk and calves. The government takes your milk and calves, sells the milk back to you, and gives your calves to others (to make more cows, of course). The government uses its milk money to maintain its Legions of Doom, which are busy burning other nations to the ground.

Quikngruvn · #16 July 15th, 2001, 04:42 AM

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Originally posted by capt_spoogy:
I guess Toronto will have to wait until 2012 or 2016 to run again. (PS, We ran for 1996 and lost to Atlanta by a slim margin too).

If nothing else, Spoogy, remember Athens-- they made (and narrowly lost) quite a few bids before landing 2004.

Quikngruvn

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CW · #17 July 15th, 2001, 09:21 AM

Tell me something, the West, especially the US just NEEDS a political enemy right? First you have got the ex-USSR and now China. I personally is from Hong Kong, and I get to see a lot of things first hand. I spent a year studying in the US and it really surprised me that China got such a bad stereotype, definitely not helped by your local Press. Bad things always got colourfully exaggerated many times over and put on the front page, good things rarely if ever got mentioned. Beware that what you see on the news might not be the whole picture.

Freedom and human rights? While I agree that China could make use of a better government system, it seems rather strange that people not even living in the country is pushing for a change harder than the Chinese themselves. In any case it is slowly changing anyway. Has it ever occured to you that the current batch of key decision makers is totally different from the one in 1989? Why do you think this is so? Don't expect everything to change over-night though, because it can't.

I have no idea why you guys living half-way around the world always seem to care about the "human rights" or "freedom" in China, I hope it is not an excuse to bannish the Chinese people (put it frankly, that is called racism). It is best to leave them to decide their own future. Trying to alienate China or pushing it into doing things the Western way is really counter-productive, it is going to do nothing but bring anger from the Chinese people. Take the latest 2008 Olympic decision for example, human rights is really not an excuse for not letting Beijing to host the Game. What's more important is, do the local people want the Game? I can tell you the answer is an affirmative 'yes'.

Puke · #18 July 15th, 2001, 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by CW:
I have no idea why you guys living half-way around the world always seem to care about the "human rights" or "freedom" in China

well, I can only speak for myself, and it may sound pretty ****ty, but I'm a nationalist. I like to think that my country and form of government is better than everyone elses. Moreover, Im an imperialist in the same way that the british were imperialists when they burned washington, and the french were imperialists when they were raping Africa.

I like to think that my country is entitled to some kind of emminent domain over the rest of the world. And I would like to think that every other person in the world feels the same way about their own country. Thus, I can be sure that everyone else distrusts and dislikes me and my culture, and I can feel safe in a world of mutual hatred and political strife.

I feel like my way of life is being jepordized whenever the world 'gets smaller' and things happen like the berlin wall coming down, or russia falling apart, or china and tiawan improving their relationships. thats why I play WAR games. I like to fantasize about human suffering and imperialist conquest from the safty of my own home.

Lucanos · #19 July 15th, 2001, 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by capt_spoogy:

Why does it seem unfair that a country that has such a long history of abusing human rights and denying freedom to it's people be rewarded with something as special as the Olympic games

So why do the US get to have the olympics now and then? (I know you are Canadian, and I'm not verbally assaulting you) The US are the real threat to human rights and the so called democracy.

In the sixties (or was it the seventies?) a radiostation in the US refused to play Phil Collins because he had black musicians in his band.

Today the countyside in southern states looks like a poor country in southamerica or something.

Then some Americans (US Americans) say that Iran or Iraq are controlled by religious fanatics. Take a look at your own country. Take a look at Ricki Lake. Take a look at your money bills.

"In god we trust"

Yeah, right! Who is the real fanatic, here?

US is much younger than china and should show some respect for its older "brother".

Chinese ppl think in another way than Americans - and if their vision of human rights are different, then let it be so.

US executes ppl too, you know. In the US alot of ppl have nowhere to sleep, nothing to eat.

In the US you can't even have a proper election. That is not democracy.

What's the big deal with the olympics anyway?

-Luc

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Lucanos · #20 July 15th, 2001, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by Hadrian Aventine:
I really don't like communism as it often goes from being communism to dictatorships really fast.

The difference between the chinese and you, in this sense, is that they know they live in a dictatorship.

You don't!

You think your country is "the free world", don't you?

I'm sorry to tell you that EU propaganda against the US is saying something else. Most Swedish and Danish citizens I know think that the US is alot WORSE than sovietunion ever was. You US citizens (as I refuse to call you "Americans") have no idea.

On the other hand, I can't say I blame you for beliving that your country is a free one. The propaganda in the US is so intense.

Whenever I see the newspaper here in Sweden or in the UK - G. W. Bush looks like a moron. They prefer to publish pictures where he's got stupid expressions.

When I came to the US (A couple of months ago - I have cousins there) the pictures of Bush in the newspapers where totaly different, he looked alot smarter and somewhat cool in his trenchcoat and hat.

Human rights? What's with vietnam? Was that a humane thing to do?