Soviet Union SPOB 11 KV-1 tank-gun confusion. - Page 2

Guardian_SPR · #11 February 18th, 2007, 03:01 AM

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DRG said:
Interesting, The Kv-85 did not have a BMG.

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The first KV-85s were re-worked from excess KV-1S hulls, welding up the hole for the ball-mounted hull machine gun. The incorrect opinion has appeared in Western literature that there was a "second version" of the KV-85 with a flexible front machine gun. This confusion most likely arose as a result of study by Western experts of the only KV-85 tank that has been preserved to this day (monument in Avtovo, St.Peterburg), where a mistake was made in the restoration process. According to archival data, 148 KV-85 tanks were produced; they were sent to the front beginning in September 1943. Simultaneously, output of the KV-1S tank was continued until December 1943.

http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?...d=49&Itemid=50

Now removed from the unit..

Don

3MGs...

thatguy96 · #12 February 18th, 2007, 03:07 AM

It says in the post you just quoted that the one in the monument was inaccurately reproduced with regards to the BMG. The link from which that statement was taken has a number of historical photos which would appear to back up the claim.

Guardian_SPR · #13 February 18th, 2007, 03:36 AM

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thatguy96 said:
It says in the post you just quoted that the one in the monument was inaccurately reproduced with regards to the BMG. The link from which that statement was taken has a number of historical photos which would appear to back up the claim.

It seems to be. KV-1s with 85mm gun (in the first picture.) is reason of my mistake.

Excuse my bad English.

thatguy96 · #14 February 18th, 2007, 03:52 AM

yeah, it is likely the same tank, but before it was placed on the momument. The link suggests that there is only on KV-85 remaining and that's it, which would seem to support the idea that the relatively modern picture you posted would be of the same vehicle too.

Guardian_SPR · #15 February 18th, 2007, 03:58 AM

Fixed front machine gun...

Guardian_SPR · #16 February 18th, 2007, 04:07 AM

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yeah, it is likely the same tank, but before it was placed on the momument

This is another tank in Kubinka armor museum.

thatguy96 · #17 February 18th, 2007, 04:10 AM

Oh, my mistake. That would seem to contradict the idea that there is only one as the other link would suggest.

Guardian_SPR · #18 February 18th, 2007, 05:48 AM

It is experimental KV-1s with 85mm gun (not a KV-85). My mistake

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KV-85 really has not ball-mounted machine gun, but it has a fixed-mounted machine gun.

Guardian_SPR · #19 February 18th, 2007, 05:56 AM

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The following work was accomplished during the mounting of the new turret on the KV-1S: the under-turret box, in which the enlarged-diameter ring of the improved tank turret fit with difficulty, was widened. The basic load of 70 main gun rounds was stored in improved racks. With the placing of the gun and the ammunition racks, the designers had to delete the fifth crewmember -the gunner-radio operator, for whom there was no longer any space. The hull-mounted DT machine-gun, which previously was carried in a movable ball mounting, was now fixed. The power pack, transmission, and suspension components were taken straight from the KV-1S.

The first KV-85s were re-worked from excess KV-1S hulls, welding up the hole for the ball-mounted hull machine gun. The incorrect opinion has appeared in Western literature that there was a "second version" of the KV-85 with a flexible front machine gun. This confusion most likely arose as a result of study by Western experts of the only KV-85 tank that has been preserved to this day (monument in Avtovo, St.Peterburg), where a mistake was made in the restoration process. According to archival data, 148 KV-85 tanks were produced; they were sent to the front beginning in September 1943. Simultaneously, output of the KV-1S tank was continued until December 1943.

http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?...d=49&Itemid=44

DRG · #20 February 18th, 2007, 10:12 AM

I'll dig around for more photos that can hopfully clear this up. I can see where I missed that part of the quote earlier. However.....

THIS PHOTO

shows no "fixed" MG on the part of the hull that the one in post #497298 does but does hint at a ball mount on the other side of the front hull and that could easily be "fixed" and not flexible

I'll put the BMG back in again

Don