Best MBT of the world 2005 (According to SPMBT)

[PlasmaKrab]

That's forums for you, eh?
Or it is just that I am a bit daft...

I try to avoid sarcasm in the quickly-written form, since it is sometimes hard to recognize (see?). Most people seem impervious to my kind of humor...

That doesn't count as an allowance to start playing lousy American either, Kevin, even for fun, you know how that would turn!

[loktarr]

You two don't understand sarcasm and humor very well do you? To all those concerned I was joking.

It was writen "Serriously though" and I did rewrite exactly the same way:
"More seriously" so I did see it was a joke, but Plasmakrab doesn't

Most people seem impervious to my kind of humor...

And how do you feel with mine, I'm the

lousy European

and

we have no need for this here.

OK, I'll go out...

[JaM]

Those tests only shows bad balance in game OOBs.The whole story is about use of Sabot against front hull armor. Defending tanks have allways advantage, becouse they hit front hull armor more often than attacking tanks hit theirs. In real world M829A3 would have not problem penetrate 900mm armor at 2000m.There arent many tanks in the world that could survive this.In game APFSDS rounds loose their power too fast.Round that is capable penetrate 500mm armor at 0m has in real 2000m penetration around 420-450mm, but in game it will penetrate only 350-380mm(roughly)Max sabot range should be rised up a bit to make more real values

[loktarr]

Defending tanks have allways advantage

I swaped every time between defend and attack: doesn't change anything...
But it is true everything is played with the hull armor...
BTW for leclerc vs leo, advantage goes first to leo, Leclerc did win hard, then to Leclerc, he did win easily, then to Leo and Leclerc did win easily the same, and then to Leclerc.... As you can see, the best result for the Leclerc was only 2 dead and at the time Leo had advantage...
The same for M1A2 vs Challenger 2...

[Starmyth]

Sarcasm and humor in the same post?

[fogel510]

loktarr ...

interesting test. suppose we modify it and test the M1A2 against every other tank (of supposed equal value) in the game.

maybe we should start with Iran and work our way down the list.

just a thought.

fogel510

[mrdomenic]

Just a question about the test...did this confirm which is the best tank, or which has the best combination of gun and armor protection? I would think speed (moves per turn) would also be important. I'm still pretty new to this great game, but the ability to maneuver for the best position also seems pretty important. Going just by kills may be only part of the picture - in the old SP2 a Stuart could kill a Tiger...every once in the while!!

[serg3d]

mrdomenic said:
I would think speed (moves per turn) would also be important.

Merkava 4 don't need any stinking maneuvring. Just put it on the top of the hill and kill everething in line of site while enemy shoot their feeble ATGM and sabots in wain.

[pdoktar]

Feeble top-attack javelins, Tow-2Bs, Gills, Bills, Spikes etc.. sit on that hill with whatever on front turret/hull HEAT armor and there is a good chance of being penetrated from the top. At least when thinking campaign games or e-mail opponents you become very aware of these nasty devils after seeing a few burning elite merkava 4s (750-800 points gone to overconfidence ).

Also fo-directed artillery cluster munitions, or a old feeble F-5 with cluster bombs.

Do not sit on hill tops seen and waiting to be killed (unless you have top armor of 70 atleast).

The AI maybe stupid, but it surprises me ever more often.. thanks to the game developers for that!

[JaM]

Maybe not in game, but in reality, Merkava Mk4 has best roof protection against top attack weapons.They even eliminated loaders hatch and commander has something like a elevator to allow him get on the turret top... TOW2B,Gills Spikes etc uses EFP warhead, so that amount of passive armor is able to stop them. By the way, Gill and Spike are Israeli ATGMs...