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[Karacan]

While no archers are present (or when the archers have run off), orders will revert to "fire none", which usually means firing at the closest. Unless that's in melee, and there's another unit running around.

[HotNifeThruButr]

In that case, I guess Soul Gate and Ashen Empire are horribly imbalanced.

Well here are a few with reasons.

C'tis beats Undead Ermor - Reason: Lizard Kings, Wither Bones
Pythium beats Undead Ermor - Reason: Theurgs + Quickness

Maybe that will start to give you an idea that nothing will absolutely beat another. There is one for almost every nation counter to each other nation/theme.

[Teraswaerto]

Originally posted by HotNifeThruButr:
In that case, I guess Soul Gate and Ashen Empire are horribly imbalanced.

Hardly. Banishment suffices, and Soul Gate is weak against anything that bypasses etherealness too.

[HotNifeThruButr]

Don't forget to factor in the fact that they kill everyone in their dominion, so once you beat them into the ground, other armies making more fruitful conquests become bigger than you. It's also hard to get into Ermor territory in the first place because your armies would starve, unless you use Vanheim.

Or Nature Magic. Which is a big *or*. It's actually more annoying to take over a C'tis Miasma domain early in the game than it is ever to invade Ermor.

[Kel]

At first, I didn't think they were over-powered. I know what there advantages and disadvantages are, on paper but I have changed my mind after playing some more.

Every single large game I play becomes world vs. Ermor. It can be argued that they are not over-powered all day but so far...well, it is getting kind of old since every game pretty much plays out the same way.

Note, I am not asking for advice on how to beat them or saying that they are unbeatable or saying that they are the best in every situation, on every map or anything to that extreme. I am just saying that every large game with them that I have played so far (ok, barring the one where I allied with them before the game crashed) has played the same way.

I don't think it's the case but maybe everyone is just under the false notion that Ermor is over-powered and that's why it is always world vs. Ermor. Honestly, I don't care, it still causes my games to play the same

Yes, I know, I can play smaller games and that is what I will do, I suppose.

- Kel

I really have a hard time believing that every game outside of the ones I play end up being "Everyone vs Ermor".

Reasons Why:

1.) If people think that way, they would kill Ermor first. Ermor is pathetically easy to kill if you start next to them. They don't start having the ability to deal with alot of situations until mid-late game. Even with High Powered, Dominion 10 High Magic VQ's.

2.) Soul Gate Ermor and Ashen Empire Ermor are very dominion dependant. They also have a hard time preaching out their dominion. Thus, anyone who can effectively use their dominion and doesn't sacrifice it for scales/pretender can effectively cut off Ermors ability to expand and gain free troops/gem income.

3.) Out of all the games I have played, Ermor has only won once. And is rarely in the final confrontation. Most of the time it's Pythium, Arco, Jotun, Abysia, and Caelum. For the most part, it's Abysia who is always an issue.

For those reasons, I don't believe the hype.

[Kel]

lol, you don't believe me ?

Not much I can say to that, I guess.

- Kel

I can believe that every game you play it ends up that way. But I can also believe that the majority of the games you are playing you still don't exactly have the strategy you feel is strong to play with, or that you are playing with players who know their pretender/nation/theme to it's full potential. I may also believe you are playing huge maps. I can also believe that Dead Ermor is definitely the easiest to win with when you are playing those who do not understand alot of the different nuances of the game. You don't have to worry or know about quite a few of the systems of the game because they don't apply to you, so you have less to actually know, so it takes in essence less skill to kill other players of equal skill.

So, it's not that I don't believe you, but I don't believe that Ermor is overpowered by that same reasoning.