MP Setsumi - Come for the game, stay for the drama! - Page 17

Kuritza · #**161** October 1st, 2009, 03:00 AM

How about one turn to retreat or prepare yourself, and then two stales by everyone? I think two 'free' turns that you can count on is more or less equal to three accidental stales.

Quitti · #**162** October 1st, 2009, 03:21 AM

Would work for me, but still, people staling widens the gap between those who have more gem income/gold income (Especially since you, Kuritza, have two gem producing globals on) and those with less of both. Research probably isn't an issue this late in the game. I know that I'm not likely to be in the race to eventually win the game, but I'm still not willing to throw the game. It'll be another experience to figure out new things, and learn more from the game.

Kuritza · #**163** October 1st, 2009, 03:58 AM

It also works for Ermor, who gets more freespawn and also has a huge gem income. So all in all, it should suit him. Two stales are better than three rollbacks in my book.

Quitti · #**164** October 1st, 2009, 04:17 AM

True, but I still want to hear what Ossa has to say. And I still think the 4 turns out of which one you can make is somewhat better in terms of balancing the game for ermor when compared to 1 turn to prepare + 2 stales.

Still, Zeldor and Ossa should voice their opinions.

Kuritza · #**165** October 1st, 2009, 04:37 AM

I'm affraid we wont read Ossa's opinion on this forum, he seems to prefer ingame messages.

P.S.
You say that stales widen the gap, yet you suggest that 3 stales is better than two? ^^

Quitti · #**166** October 1st, 2009, 06:47 AM

Not in that aspect, they aren't. But two turns of free time for ermor with one turn of getting ready for it is worse than the 4/1 scheme suggested by Micah. I don't like either, but if we were to try the stale-thing, I'd prefer Micah's way because it gives Ermor more time to recuperate and gives a certain edge in the game because we can still react if something goes very wrong very quickly.

Zeldor · #**167** October 1st, 2009, 07:22 AM

I have PMed Ossa to hear his opinion, still waiting. I of course would prefer an option of no-staling, but it would pretty much require something from other players for Ermor, so I can recover from losing 1/3 of my provs and not getting 3 turns of forging etc. And I can assume that Man was preparing to attack me for that time, so if Kuritza does not like the stales option, maybe he can suggest some other reparation?

Anyway, Juffos should probably send an email to all players, so they at least know the situation and can voice their opinion. Abysia, C'tis, Arco are not posting here anything at all. So even if we agreed on smth, they'd have no idea about it. And most people submitted their turns already.

Kuritza · #**168** October 1st, 2009, 08:48 AM

Staling is OK to me. But I'd like to see 2 stales, not three. After all, things like that happen and you are not attacked by everyone from all sides yet.
2 bonus turns should make it up for three stales in my opinion. If you want some extra compensation from other players, post yours suggestions.

Let me clarify my position: we are not guilty that Ermor staled. People do stale time after time, and they dont demand compensation from all other players for that.
Three stales in a row is damn dramatic indeed, catashtrophic even, but I dont feel oblidged to offer a 100% compensation because I didnt cause it nor did I benefit from it anyhow. 2 extra turns should be enough to get revenge.

P.S.
How about a NAP+3 from me as a compensation? I will declare war against Ermor soon enough indeed, but this way you will have your 3 turns.

Zeldor · #**169** October 1st, 2009, 09:23 AM

I am not demaning 100% compensation. I simply wish that stales did not occur and all could continue, like I was here and played. I am pretty sure that I'd have at least as many provs as before without that stales. Anyway, we need Ossa's opinion, as he is the one other major power and would be hit hardest by force stales [and well, he gained most from my stales too].

Ossa · #**170** October 1st, 2009, 04:40 PM

Hmm... maybe I'm the wrong person to be asked now.

I was nearly wiped out from this game by a NAP break. Zeldor - though he just made suggestions - has at least some kind of responsibility, or that's at least the way I still see it.

Lets say, I'm not in the mood for any great compensation for these stalls. I've also lost provinces and armies due to stalls before and seldom got compensated.

And, though Ermor lost some ground, his armies were still increasing and he is still the uncontested #1 in this game.

So I vote for no, no compensation at all. Or well, maybe noone attacks him for 2 turns while he can reorganize his armies.