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[narf poit chez BOOM]

all that runs up against the problem of needing someone to sort through the slush piles. that's what publisher's do.

[PvK]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
... We seemed to be operating under the assumption that it qualified as property, so then the issue became whether acquiring wrongfully was stealing it or not. But since music, etc. is property under current models...

Now, whether they should be "property" or not is an entirely different debate. One that I believe you will see I am inclined to agree with you on (at least partially)...

Ah good. In a discussion limited to accepting Intellectual Property, recent laws, and the rest of the media cartel agenda, I'd be inclined (compelled?) to at least partly agree with what you were writing, too.

PvK

[PvK]

Originally posted by deccan:

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Originally posted by PvK:
My suggestion is that we need to find new ways to award creation as a society, that don't involve the absurd and wicked task of trying to control everyone's every data transaction, and that allow us to share all published data freely, and more directly reward the actual creators, and not the bloated leech media cartels.

Do you have any ideas for business models that might work on these principles?

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Yes, several of which I've described before. I think the greatest difficulty is not designing a working system, but it is getting society to accept the ideas and to adopt a new system. Ingrained concepts, selfishness, and skepticism from the old/existing culture are one obstacle. The cartels and megacorps with extremely vested interests, and their owned media and politicians are another formidable obstacle. It may require several baby steps to eventually evolve a really good system. Hopefully, the immense advantage in efficiency and the impracticality of doing otherwise, and maybe even the good elements of human nature, will pull events in that direction. File sharing is one example of this (even if one agrees that within the old/current system, it's "wrong"), and even the media corps are starting to react as well, although they're still also trying to figure out how they can control and exploit the bijeezus out of everything, as is their sad nature.

And oh, if I do make a pile of money from this, don't expect me to give you a cent. Freedom of information and all that, you know.

If you make a ton of money ensuring that creative people can do their thing and live at least a modest but secure lifestyle, I'll be happy.

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
all that runs up against the problem of needing someone to sort through the slush piles. that's what publisher's do.

Publishers in the old/current system do more than that. I expect a new system could do most or all of the reduced requirements of a new system with computers.

PvK

[Fyron]

Originally posted by PvK:
Ah good. In a discussion limited to accepting Intellectual Property, recent laws, and the rest of the media cartel agenda, I'd be inclined (compelled?) to at least partly agree with what you were writing, too.

As long as we are on the same page...