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[Marcello]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

I don't know how about coastal batteries, but I think, that they are rather not relevant to land combat, especially that they usually point at sea only.
Michal

It depends on the emplacement costruction. In many cases they were mounted on rotating turrets with good fields of fire.
These for example could train on 300°. http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNSpain_15-45_mkB.htm
In any case IIRC these guns can only be used during naval landings type scenarios, so they would already be restricted.

[Richard_H]

Single artillery pieces.

I don’t know whether it’s a game convention (can’t find it in the GG), but very few units in the ‘single artillery piece’ classes (9, 154, 184, 196) have FC and Rangefinder ratings. I’ve listed them in each class, just in case. There are also very few with a third weapon; I haven’t listed these, but it would be no problem to do so.

Class 9 – Field Gun

Poland 540, Pakistan 92, Belgium 280 and Denmark 86 are the only units with FC ratings.

Poland 540, Jordan 90, Australia 206 & 207, Gulf 100, Pakistan 92, 96 & 100, Belgium 280, Norway 82 & 83, Canada 266, Greece 146, Denmark 86, Czech 368, Libya 103, S.Africa 78, Saudi 100, Sudan 97 & 106, Portugal 82, Malaysia 140 and N.Yemen 100 & 107 are the only units with a Rangefinder rating.

Switzerland 801 has no primary weapon – Weapon 125 is blank. Weapon 112 would serve.

65mm L/17 – Syria 80 has Load Cost 3 and RoF 7, standards are 2/8.

73mm SPG-9 – Hungary 378 & 379 have Crew 3 and Load Cost 1, standards are 6/0.

75mm M1897 – Syria 81 has Crew 4, standard is 6.
Cambodia 89 has Speed 1, standard for this class is 0.
Lebanon 97 has Load Cost 2, Romania 308 and Cambodia 89 have 3, Syria 81 has 4, standard in other classes (and in WW2) is 1.

75mm L/18 (Schneider?) – Spain 115 has Speed 1 and Load Cost 2, Italy 120 has 0/1.

75mm Krupp – Green 69, Argentina 65 and Chile 65 have Crew 8, standard is 6.

75mm M8 – Cambodia 90 has Crew 6, Green 70, Brazil 65, Chile 66 and El Salvador 70 have 8, standard in other classes is 5. They all also have Speed 0 (standard in other classes is 2) and Load Cost 3 (standard in other classes is 1).

76.2mm ZiS-3 – Yugoslavia 345-347, Bosnia 341 and Croatia 341 have Crew 7, standard is 6.
Red 255, Cyprus 83 & 570, Finland 154 and Mozambique 40 have Load Cost 1, Yugoslavia 345-347, Bosnia 341 and Croatia 341 have 4, standard is 3.
Egypt 95 has RoF 8, standard is 7.

82mm B-10 – Hungary 376 has Crew 4 and Load Cost 1, standards are 6 & 0.

25-Pdr – Jordan 90, S.Africa 78 and Kenya 85 have Crew 8, standard is 6.
Cyprus 571, S.Africa 78, Kenya 85 and Mozambique 39 have Load Cost 1, Belgium 280 has 4, standard is 3.
Tanzania 85 and Uganda 85 have RoF 6, standard is 7.

85mm M52 – Czech 368 has Speed 1, standard in other (AT) classes is 0.

85mm D-44 – Pakistan 96 has Speed 1, standard is 0.
Mozambique 41 has Load Cost 2, standard is 3.

105mm Modele 13 – Romania 310 and 320 have Size 2, standard from WW2 is 1.

10.5cm K18 – Brazil 66 and Bulgaria 361 have Load Cost 0, standard for 105mm is 3.

10.5cm leFH 18 (and leFH 16) – Norway 78 & 79 have Size 1, standard is 2.

105mm M56 – Cyprus 85 and Malaysia 142 have Crew 5, Australia 207 and Nigeria 88 have 7, Yugoslavia 350 & 351 and Argentina 68 have 8, standard is 6.
Argentina 68, Cyprus 85, Malaysia 142 and Somalia 87 have Speed 1. Whilst this is standard for Pack Howitzer classes, the standard here is 0.
Somalia 87 has Load Cost 2, UK 428, Australia 207, Pakistan 97 and Nigeria 88 have 3, Yugoslavia 350 & 351 have 4, standard is 1.

105mm L118/M119 – Spain 118 has Size 3, standard is 1.
USA 88 and Spain 118 have Crew 8, Turkey 128 and Kenya 88 & 90 have 7, standard is 6.
USA 88 and Kenya 88 & 90 have Load Cost 1, Spain 118 has 4, standard is 3.

105mm M101/102 – Iran 100, Iraq 87, Pakistan 99, Canada 267, W.Germany 166 and Austria 209, 210 & 215 have Crew 6, Uruguay 333 & 334 have 9, standard is 8.
Jordan 92 has Speed 1, standard is 0.
Yugoslavia 349, Bosnia 342 and Croatia 345 have Load Cost 4, Jordan 92 and Mozambique 43 have 2, USA 87 has 1, standard is 3.

107mm B-11 – Hungary 377 has Crew 5, standard is 6. It also has Load Cost 1, standard is 0.
Poland 377 and Hungary 377 have Speed 1, standard is 3.
Poland 377 has RoF 5, standard is 6.

122mm M31/37 – N.Korea 643 has Size 3, standard is 2. It also has RoF 4, standard is 6.
Albania 75 has Crew 7, standard is 8.
Red 259, Cuba 87, Angola 91, Lebanon 102, Tanzania 90 and Uganda 91 have Load Cost 0, Finland 161 has 3, standard is 4.

122mm M-30 (M1938) – Poland 91 & 92, Czech 91 and Hungary 91 have Size 3, standard is 2.
Albania 76 has Crew 7, S.Yemen 101 has 6, Zimbabwe 75 has 12, standard is 8.
Zimbabwe 75 has Load Cost 2, Egypt 96, Iraq 88, Mujahadeen 57, Afghanistan 57, Libya 98, Red 257, Ethiopia 98, S.Yemen 101 and Mozambique 44 have 3, Yugoslavia 352 & 353 have 5, standard is 4.

122mm D-74 – Iraq 90, Cuba 88 and Nigeria 92 have Crew 7, standard is 8.
Russia 224 has Load Cost 3, standard is 4.

122mm D-30 – Czech 92 and Hungary 92 have Size 3, Finland 162 has 1, standard is 2.
Crews are 7 or 8, fairly evenly split.
Tanzania 91 has Load Cost 0, Iran 101, Mujahadeen 59, Afghanistan 59, Libya 99, Ethiopia 99, Finland 160 & 162 and Mozambique 45 have 3, Yugoslavia 354 and Croatia 354 have 5, standard is 4.
Egypt 97 has RoF 7, standard is 6.

130mm M46 – Red 261 and Finland 164 & 165 have Size 3, PLO 104 has 1, standard is 2.
Israel 225, Thailand 88, Eritrea 90 and Somalia 91 have Crew 9, standard is 8. They also have Load Cost 4, standard is 3.
Egypt 98 has RoF 7, standard is 5.

5.5 Inch – Pakistan 101 and Portugal 90 have Size 1, Sudan 108 and S.Yemen 104 have 3, standard is 2.
India 94 and Pakistan 101 have Crew 8, Portugal 90 and Zimbabwe 78 have 11, standard is 9.
India 94 and Pakistan 101 have Load Cost 3, standard is 4.

15cm sFH 18 – Brazil 73 has Size 2 and Crew 9, standards are 3/11.

152mm Type 66 – Albania 80 has Crew 8, standard is 11.

152mm ML-20 – Finland 167 has Load Cost 3, standard is 4.
N.Korea 644 has RoF 4, standard is 5.

152mm D-1 – Mozambique 47 has Size 2, standard is 3.
Mozambique 47 has Crew 10, Algeria 135 has 11, Bulgaria 373 has 12, standard is 8.
Bulgaria 373 has Load Cost 3, Viet Cong 146 & 148 have 5, standard is 4.
Egypt 99 and Russia 425 have RoF 4, standard is 5.

152mm D-20 – Angola 95 has Size 1, Slovakia 46 has 2, standard is 3.
Slovakia 46 has Crew 7, Russia 466, E.Germany 36 and Nicaragua 74 have 10, standard is 8.
Nicaragua 74 has Load Cost 0, Finland 170 has 3, Viet Cong 147 has 5, standard is 4.

152mm 2A36 – Finland 171 has Crew 8 and Load Cost 3, standards are 10/4.

155mm TR F1 – Taiwan 92 has Size 0, standard is 3.
France 418 and Taiwan 92 have Crew 7, Cyprus 87 & 88 have 8. I believe 8 is correct, but without reference to Foss or Hogg, I can’t confirm it.
Taiwan 92 has Load Cost 0, France 418 has 4, others have 3.
Cyprus 87 has RoF 6, standard is 4.

155mm FH-70 – Turkey 132 has Crew 11, standard is 8 or 9. It also has Load Cost 2, standard is 4.

155mm FH-77 – Nigeria 97 & 98 have Crew 12 and Load Cost 0, standards are 8/4.

155mm G-5 – Iraq 94 has Size 3 and Crew 8, standards are 2/11.

155mm M2 – Jordan 94 and Pakistan 102 & 103 have Size 2, Denmark 88 has 1, standard is 3.
S.Korea 91 and Taiwan 91 have Load Cost 0, standard is 4.

155mm M114 – Jordan 95 has Size 2, standard is 3.
Libya 104 has Crew 8, USA 89 has 12, standard is 11.
USA 89 has Load Cost 3, standard is 4.

155mm M198 – USA 90 and Iraq 844 have Crew 12, standard is 11. They also have Load Cost 3, standard is 4.

155mm M777 – Poland 224 has Crew 6, standard is 11 (USMC) or 12 (USA/Canada). It also has RoF 7, standard is 4.

180mm S-23 – India 97 has Crew 12, standard is 10.
Egypt 101 has RoF 5, standard is 4.

Richard H

[Richard_H]

The other single artillery pieces.

Class 154 – Howitzer

Poland 380 and Belgium 450 are the only units with a FC and Rangefinder rating.

Belgium 450 is the only Size 0 unit.

Viet Cong 139 is called ‘105mm Type 91’. However it has a 75mm weapon as primary armament. The Type 91 would need to be imported from WW2.

Bulgaria 355 is Size 3, 75mm pieces (the nearest apart from Belgium 450) are Size 1.

Belgium 450 has Load Cost 2, Bulgaria 355 has 3, Belgium 451 has 4, other 75mm pieces have 1.

122mm M-30 – Spain 120 has Size 3, others have 2.

122mm D-30 – Bosnia 354 has Crew 7, standard is 8.

Indonesia 78 is Size 4, other 122mm pieces are Size 2.


Class 184 – Airborne Field Howitzer

NVA 398 has FC and Rangefinder ratings. However, unlike others in other classes, it’s more like a secondary light AT piece.


Class 196 – Pack Howitzer

USMC 805, Mujahadeen 53 and Czech 540 are the only units with FC and Rangefinder ratings.

73mm SPG-9 – Viet Cong 116 has Size 1, standard is 0.
Sudan 285 and Uganda 345 have Speed 1, Viet Cong 116 has 5, standard in this class is 4.

75mm M8 – El Salvador 165 and Nicaragua 165 have Speed 1, standard is 2.

75mm Schneider – Spain 111 has RoF 6, Italy 126 has 7. Standard for 75mm in this class is 7.

75mm M20 (and derivatives) – N.Korea 556, Albania 57, Angola 346, Cambodia 557, Sudan 286, Rhodesia 207 and Tanzania 350 have Size 0, standard for this class is 1.
S.Korea 76 has Crew 4, standard for this class is 6.
Sudan 286, El Salvador 167 and Nicaragua 167 have Speed 1, N.Yemen 288 has 2, China 401, N.Korea 556, S.Korea 76, Taiwan 76, Cambodia 557 and Rhodesia 207 have 4, standard is 3.

76.2mm M1938 – Albania 55 has Crew 6 and Load Cost 0, standard is 5/1.

82mm B-10 (and derivatives) – PLO 120, China 402 & 403, Viet Cong 118, Zimbabwe 50 and Mozambique 165 have Size 1, all others have 0.
Sudan 287 and Uganda 347 have Speed 1, Algeria 110 and Chad 110 have 2, Viet Cong 118 has 4, standard is 3.

84mm Carl Gustav – N.Yemen 287 has Speed 3, Mujahadeen 54, Libya 93, Angola 348 and Sudan 284 have 4, standard is 6.

90mm M67 – S.Korea 77 has Crew 4, standard for this class is 6.
El Salvador 168 has Speed 1, Saudi 288 has 2, standard for this class is 3.

105mm M56 – Saudi 286, Sudan 283, N.Yemen 286, Ecuador 164, El Salvador 166 and Nicaragua 166 have Crew 6, standard is 5. They also have Load Cost 2, standard is 1.
Nigeria 351 has Speed 0, Green 166 has 2, standard is 1.

106mm M40 RCL – Nigeria 350 has Size 0, standard is 1.
Algeria 111, Chad 111 and Nicaragua 168 have Speed 1, Malaysia 137 and Zimbabwe 52 have 2, Nigeria 350 has 4, standard is 3.

107mm B-11 – Afghanistan 54, Libya 94, Angola 349, Ethiopia 91 and Eritrea 102 have Size 0, standard is 1.
Uganda 349 has Crew 8, standard is 6.
Uganda 349 has Speed 1, Viet Cong 119, Zimbabwe 51 and Mozambique 166 have 2, standard is 3.

Richard H

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

I don't know how about coastal batteries, but I think, that they are rather not relevant to land combat, especially that they usually point at sea only.

Michal

I guess you've forgotten that the game includes beach assault landings making coastal batteries relevant though not in the case of that particular gun.



Don

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by DRG

I guess you've forgotten that the game includes beach assault landings making coastal batteries relevant though not in the case of that particular gun.

I admit I forgot - never played one. Although, guns of such caliber usually were pointed towards sea only...

Michal

[DRG]

Try one in winter in the north for unique autogenerated maps.

Don

[DRG]

Off-Map Artillery

Class 10 – Off-Map Field Artillery

Poland 178, Russia 811, Canada 388 & 390, Cyprus 97 and Sweden 462 have AP rounds.

AP rounds = Cluster Munitions in any arty class

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by Richard_H

I don’t know whether it’s a game convention (can’t find it in the GG), but very few units in the ‘single artillery piece’ classes (9, 154, 184, 196) have FC and Rangefinder ratings.

Artillery pieces aren't given FC/RF ratings.
Anti-tank guns are.

FC/RF have little (if any) effect on indirect fire in WinSPMBT.

Now artillery pieces that are commonly used as AT-Guns (i.e. the Soviet 76mm Zis3) are often given FC/RF ratings to reflect their dual use role.

[Mobhack]

OFF-map artillery has no need for fire control or range finders. Those have no role in purely indirect fire.

ON-map field artillery pieces that might want to plink at tanks etc. for a brief moment before inevitably dying, may have them of course.

Andy

[Richard_H]

@ Don - doh: I must be getting figure-crazy!

@ Andy - yup, it includes all the usual suicidal suspects

Richard H