New Russian OOB (or SPR OOB) - Page 14

KraMax · #**131** March 22nd, 2008, 04:17 AM

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cbreedon said:

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DRG said:
The bottom line is this OOB will destroy any scenario in the game that use the Russian OOB. We have already had one "bug" report from someone who couldn't figure out why the Russian scenarios in the game suddenly were a mess so anyone contemplating using this OOB should not be lulled into the false belief that this will not make a total mess out of the existing scenarios because it will. Don

This was me... I have been playing this game since the 1990's and should have know what I had done without posting a query about it. I guess I had downloaded and installed this mod and had completely forgotten that I had done it.

I do like the mod though.

Thanks for kind words.

DRG · #**132** March 22nd, 2008, 10:33 AM

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KraMax said:
Dear DRG.

The big working out of set of an ammunition was made in the USSR in the mid 80th. For Nona - there is a set of shells, here their list:

<snip>

Best regards.

Thank you.

Don

DRG · #**133** March 22nd, 2008, 10:56 AM

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KraMax said:
The information is received from the open sources, here one of them:
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tec...ona-s-base.asp

From that it would appear the "minimum range of shooting" is 450 metres ??

Don

KraMax · #**134** March 22nd, 2008, 10:58 AM

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DRG said:

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KraMax said:
The information is received from the open sources, here one of them:
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tec...ona-s-base.asp

From that it would appear the "minimum range of shooting" is 450 metres ??

Don

Yes. You right.

KraMax · #**135** March 22nd, 2008, 11:00 AM

Site of factory of the manufacturer of these systems:
(English)
http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/02/01/

Little bit out-of-date site. They probably are not engaged in it

DRG · #**136** March 25th, 2008, 10:46 AM

Maxim

Here's a little research project for you. I only get half way with the English and Russian sources I have.

The G-11 Glider was added to the MBT Icon files in the past with the intention of adding it to the Russian OOB. The evidence I have is that aircraft was produced in two batches. The first batch early in the war then the second batch started again in 1944 and remained in production until 1948. ( NOTE: this may be a translation error where "in production until 1948" was mis-translated from an original document that really meant it was..."in service until 1948" but that's just one guess.)

OK good so far. It appears there should be G-11 gliders in the MBT Russian OOB ( which is why I added the Icon in the first place... ) however. I can find NOTHING to tell me when they were withdrawn from service.( aside from the guess I made above ) One might assume they were replaced by the Yak-14 and 1948 does tie in closely to the Yak's introduction but assumptions are usually wrong. I'm guessing the G-11 was withdrawn in the early 1950's. In the case of the Yak 14 ALL sources I have points to them being withdrawn from service in the late 1950's yet you have them in-service until the mid 1960s'

So..... how long did both gliders really stay in Russian service??

Don

KraMax · #**137** March 25th, 2008, 12:39 PM

Dear DRG.

I will be glad to help you.

The second name of glider G-11 is name G-29. G-29 there was its name in the course of working out of projects, then it has received the name by quantity of transported commandoes of 11 persons - G-11. This glider is easier for finding by name of G-29, than G-11.

http://easyget.narod.ru/air/g_11.html
http://www.avia-rest.ru/g/g29.php
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/glider/g29.html

In descriptions of this glider it is said, that this glider was not made since 1945 for 1946, but then it made till 1948. In these descriptions of history of a glider there is nothing about when this glider have removed from arms.
I have looked data in other gliders were on arms and have found.
In the description of glider C-25:

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/glider/c25.html

Here there is a description that after glider tests in 1948, in 1 year gliders G-11 have begun have removed from arms of Red Army. And in 1951-53 replacements of all gliders on Yak-14 have begun. I think it were possible to tell with confidence that since 1953 in Red Army only Yak-14.

Yours faithfully.

DRG · #**138** March 25th, 2008, 04:55 PM

Thank you. That's close to what I found and guessed for the G-11/G-29 as well.

However. The info I am finding on Russian Military gliders in general is that they were withdrawn from service in the late 1950's. "In the late 1950s transport gliders were withdrawn from service, as obsolete mean of transport" as Helicopeter became more numerous and reliable is typical of the remarks What do you have that shows them being in service into the 1960's? The translations I've run have not been very helpful.

Don

KraMax · #**139** March 26th, 2008, 12:42 AM

I have not found exact date of removal from arms of all gliders in the Soviet Army.
Last serial glider of the Soviet Army - Yak-14.

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/glider/yak14.html

In the description it is told that:

"Very soon all of them have replaced on An-12, Mi-4 etc."

But exact date it is not written. I think that indeed, all gliders have removed from arms prior to the beginning of 1960.

KraMax · #**140** March 26th, 2008, 12:45 AM

photos Yak-14:

http://www.avia-yk.ru/images/yk14/yak14-3.jpg
http://www.avia-yk.ru/images/yk14/yak14-2.jpg
http://www.avia-yk.ru/images/yk14/yak14-4.jpg
http://www.avia-yk.ru/images/yk14/yak14-6.jpg
http://www.avia-yk.ru/images/yk14/yak14-7.jpg
http://www.avia-yk.ru/images/yk14/yak14-8.jpg