OT (or is it?): American Imperialism - Page 14

Alneyan · #**131** February 17th, 2005, 12:31 PM

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alarikf said:
I am [...] changing my minds [...]

I *knew* there was something fishy with you Alarikf. Sorry, couldn't resist. I will now leave this thread, and bring my silliness somewhere else.

Strategia_In_Ultima · #**132** February 17th, 2005, 01:51 PM

Doesn't matter. Your input is valued by me (and many others, I think) to alleviate ptrssure from this thread when it gets too high.

Gozra · #**133** February 17th, 2005, 02:16 PM

I always thought Clinton is the greatist Politician we ever produced.( I don't admire politicians ) It's lucky for us his flaws got in the way of putting his mark on American society forever.

I have read some about the Initial stages of the Iraq war And understanding what I do it was obvious that
A. reporters are really ignorant about military matters
B. The military carried out it's orders
C. The Politicians were prepared for disaster and not for success
D. I am convinced that the Press is so focused on selling papers that The Truth is just another tool to be used or not used
E. I know that most people in the United States are ignorant of the Constitution and only have a hazy understanding of Rights and Responsiablities they have.
F.We are allowing Corporate America to define America
G.We are headed toward serious consequences
H.This is one of the most Interesting times in History.

AMF · #**134** February 17th, 2005, 02:29 PM

I think I totally agree with every one of your points here.....I would say that the plans could have been a bit better for the Phase IV stuff, of course...but that was a political not as much a military decision.

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Gozra said:
I always thought Clinton is the greatist Politician we ever produced.( I don't admire politicians ) It's lucky for us his flaws got in the way of putting his mark on American society forever.

I have read some about the Initial stages of the Iraq war And understanding what I do it was obvious that
A. reporters are really ignorant about military matters
B. The military carried out it's orders
C. The Politicians were prepared for disaster and not for success
D. I am convinced that the Press is so focused on selling papers that The Truth is just another tool to be used or not used
E. I know that most people in the United States are ignorant of the Constitution and only have a hazy understanding of Rights and Responsiablities they have.
F.We are allowing Corporate America to define America
G.We are headed toward serious consequences
H.This is one of the most Interesting times in History.

AMF · #**135** February 17th, 2005, 02:46 PM

Hey, sorry if I sound harsh, but frankly making controversial and inflammatory political statements, and then dodging any real debate, is emblematic of the entire problem the US faces today. Watch the talking heads on CNN, Fox, or whatever. People just shout their points, and the facts are lost while they scream at each other.

This country's political state is pretty cruddy right now largely because no one actually listens any more, instead we use rhetoric and insults and volume to score points. This approach, whether in a listserv, a public forum, or on the news, is part of the problem.

Don't be part of the problem. Listen, deal in facts, rebut logically, and be willing to change your mind. I am convinced that that is one of the marks of a mature polity and civilization. When we lose the ability to look at and discuss facts then we might as well call an end to the experiment that is Democracy.

With that in mind, I call's them like I sees them. Think globally, act locally, and all that. I'm not just gonna sit by and watch the political process get murdered any more than it already has. And one of the places where I can make this effort is here. So, yes, I will call people out when they are part of the problem. Sorry if it offends, but to do otherwise would be to condone to the slowly murder of the political process. And, yes, I too am guilty of this. We all are. But we are sentient human beings who can change our minds and our behavior.

Thanks,
Alarik

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StrategiaInUltima said:
Doesn't matter. Your input is valued by me (and many others, I think) to alleviate ptrssure from this thread when it gets too high.

Frederick_d_Ohlmann · #**136** February 17th, 2005, 02:49 PM

[I will go to english dictionnary for meaning of "interesting"]
A. Agree. Even if I am a pacifist it's too obvious
B. Agree.
C. Can be discuss but I don't think it would have change anything.
D. Yes. Nobody is interested by truth ; military lie to have an easier task ; newspaper lies to make money ; politician lie to be reelected.
E. Sadly, yes.
F. Replace "america" by "world". I can't find a country where it's false.
G. Obvious !
H. I remember that in some culture it's a curse...

Puke · #**137** February 17th, 2005, 03:02 PM

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alarikf said:
Hey, sorry if I sound harsh, but frankly making controversial and inflammatory political statements, and then dodging any real debate, is emblematic of the entire problem the US faces today.

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StrategiaInUltima said:
Doesn't matter. Your input is valued by me (and many others, I think) to alleviate ptrssure from this thread when it gets too high.

I think he was refering to Alneyan, who was just being a wisenhiemer, and not really political.

AMF · #**138** February 17th, 2005, 03:14 PM

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Puke said:I think he was refering to Alneyan, who was just being a wisenhiemer, and not really political.

Doh! I feel stupid. Sorry! Removing foot from mouth now.

Guess I'm wound a bit tight, eh?

heh.

RudyHuxtable · #**139** February 17th, 2005, 03:20 PM

I would just like to say that if we want to see an end to the actions the US takes, it's actually simpler than you think. It's called speaking up.

During the rise of Hitler, he began instating programs during the time of '35-'36 (sorry I don't remember specifics right now) and the people, including the international community said F-U dude, no way. The man caved. So if HITLER can cave under international pressure, so can GW. I call my Congressman whenever something goes on I don't like, but I'm only one voice. Get everyone else to do it and we'll have the power back where it belongs.

Alneyan · #**140** February 17th, 2005, 03:57 PM

Actually, I think this message was aimed at Atrocities: the reply field was Atrocities and not Alneyan, while Atrocities was not the last poster at the time of this message (so it was not a quick reply thing). I feel that the message fits in best with Atrocities as well, mainly because of the "Doesn't matter" part.

But I guess it could have been aimed at myself too. Or perhaps not. Still, I stick with my point that Alarikf should not be allowed to have several minds, among other things.