The Council of Wyrms - Page 134

Ygorl · #**1331** August 14th, 2006, 03:15 PM

Not Pasha's Wyrm, Puffyn's Wyrm.
Apep sent six armies into the lands of Man last turn; Apep is arguing that Man was open to attack by virtue of Prop. 39, since Ygorl attacked Ermor. Ygorl is arguing that, since Ermor went rogue, he was no longer a part of Prop. 39, therefore Ygorl was still protected, therefore the horrific and unprovoked Mictlanish attack was illegal.

Quite a mess, eh?

Wish · #**1332** August 14th, 2006, 05:38 PM

yikes.

quite a misunderstanding. What precedent would this have to make a new clarification retroactive against past misunderstandings without explicitely stating as such?

Ygorl · #**1333** August 14th, 2006, 06:17 PM

A good point.
If this proposition passes, Ygorl is happy to not prosecute roguehood as long as Apep withdraws his armies and makes modest reparations. In that case, it would not set a precedent.

Though, I don't think it would be a terrible precedent to set; the proposition is not creating new law, rather it is a poll of all Wyrms as to what the existing law already is. There's certainly cause for lenience when a law is violated through misunderstanding or ignorance, but such ignorance does not mean that the law was not violated.
...Especially in the case of such a diabolical attack!

puffyn · #**1334** August 15th, 2006, 07:25 PM

Hey Ygorl,

Can we wait until after this proposition passes or fails to host? That would mean hosting Wed night. Since Pasha won't be back until late tonight anyhow, I think that's what we would be doing regardless. Plus Ulm should get a chance to see the excitement, I think.

This is mainly because I do not wish to be declared rogue, and if Prop 49 passes I will take different actions than if it fails.

Thanks,
puffyn

Ygorl · #**1335** August 15th, 2006, 08:04 PM

Sure!
I was planning on waiting until Wednesday for Pasha anyway... I'll wait until Pasha gets his turn in, and then until the proposition closes and I get a turn from you.
Depending on how late that runs, I might not get to host until Thursday...

Ygorl · #**1336** August 15th, 2006, 08:29 PM

There is, by the way, about a day left to vote. Even those who have already voted might want to revisit the page, as things have gotten pretty wild. I don't mean "Girls Gone Wild" wild (we are only Wyrms), but still pretty wild.

PashaDawg · #**1337** August 15th, 2006, 10:18 PM

I am back, and I have sent in my turn and voted.

Pasha

puffyn · #**1338** August 15th, 2006, 10:40 PM

Is there not only about a hour left to vote? The proposition was posted during "weekend time" at 23:00 (EST) on the 13th, thus it closes at 23:00 (EST) on the 15th, i.e. in an hour and a half. Please correct me if I am mistaken.

Ygorl · #**1339** August 15th, 2006, 10:51 PM

Yeah, you're right. I'm losing track of what day it is.

puffyn · #**1340** August 16th, 2006, 08:24 PM

Following the rejection of Prop 49 and the logic behind it, Mictlan will continue the war against Man unless ordered to stop by some future proposition.

However, we have come up with a compromise proposal that salvages much of the idea of Prop 49 as it relates to wyrms going rogue in the future, and also spells out the legal position of Man and Mictlan, so we encourage you to vote on the new and exciting Proposition 50.