The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes. - Page 13

geoschmo · #**121** January 22nd, 2002, 06:11 AM

DOH! I forgot about that. I guess It's been too long since I was a regular in this thread. Sorry.

Geo

Andr�s · #**122** January 22nd, 2002, 07:14 AM

Yes we do need the program. And we also need to finish the couple of pictures still missing in the neo-neutral shipset, if dogscoff didn't make any progress I'll give it a try.

Val · #**123** January 22nd, 2002, 04:00 PM

Isn't SE IV G going to have a full neo shipset for the neutrals that we could use? Anybody know if any of the Gold races are going to take advantage of the expanded shipsets?

geoschmo · #**124** January 22nd, 2002, 04:27 PM

The only change that made it into Gold was the addition of the secondary ship pic in the vehiclesize.txt file. For the stock hulls the default secondary pics are identical to the primary pics.

No neo-generic images made it in as far as I am aware. Nothing was mentioned in the history file anyway. I don't have the gold beta with me to check and see if the images were added without being mentioned.

Who was making the new generic images? Were they sent to Tamp Gamer to be included in the Gold release?

Geoschmo

Suicide Junkie · #**125** January 22nd, 2002, 04:28 PM

Val: does the Gold demo include them? If not, I'll check what I have at home.
They might also be included in the CD as an addon, but not a default...

So, what IYO, is the best chain to use for the barge and resource ship?
I assume the resource base should start with Starbase through spacestation, then down through the ship sizes. But, should it try the worldship, and if so, when (before other "ships", after trying baseship and dreadnaught, never?)

Val · #**126** January 22nd, 2002, 05:35 PM

SJ:

I haven't seen anything yet, but thought their might be a chance they might release the 'extended' ship sets with Gold. Then again, maybe not...

Here's what I had for the B5 Mod:

Scout = Escort
Corvette = Frigate
Heavy Destroyer = Destroyer
Heavy Cruiser = Battlecruiser
Super Dreadnought = Dreadnought
Heavy Baseship = Baseship
Planet Killer = Starbase
Barge = Transport Large
Escort Carrier = Carrier Light
Super Carrier = Carrier Heavy
Resource Ship = Colony Ship
Resource (Civilian) Station = Space Station
War Station = Battle Station
Large Colony Ship = Colony Ship
Fast Courier = Transport Small
Super Heavy Fighter = Fighter Large
Massive Fighter = Fighter Large

I know the left column names aren't all standard neo names, just what I happened to use, though the pic ref in the neo-standard is direct (so a super heavy figher is a huge fighter)

Suicide Junkie · #**127** January 22nd, 2002, 10:14 PM

The point is not that you call your ships those names, but that images with those filenames are available for use by modders.

The point is that you can have a "Super Heavy Fighter", and know that FighterHuge.BMP will exist for you to use.

Val · #**128** January 23rd, 2002, 02:12 AM

Right, I was just mentioning that I had diverged from the path on those names in the neostandard (such as planet killer) but still used the neostandard bitmap names (in that case the worldship). But in case there was no Worldship pic, I had it go to a spacestation pic.

Andr�s · #**129** January 23rd, 2002, 08:11 PM

I don't thin that any these extra ship sizes will be included in Gold Version.

It's intended to be used by many other mods and shipsets, yada yada yada, but it's nothing more than another mod.
A mod that wasn't ever submitted because it's even now unfinished.
I don't think it will ever be included as a standard part of the game.
The new secondary pic feature that we requested and will appear in gold is a good help, and will eliminate the need of the copying program in most ocasions. It will allow modders to take advantage of shipsets with extra pictures without worrying if all shipsets have all pictures.
The copying program will still be needed to, establish chains.
AFAIK you will only be able to put one second option, not 3, 4 or 5 options (like wepons in a design) in order of priority.
For example the picture for a heavy baseship is "baseshipheavy" secondary image "baseship" and third option "starbase"
Someone also mentioned that some people will never get Gold verion.

dogscoff · #**130** January 24th, 2002, 02:40 AM

S_J - personally I would use Large Transport as a secondary barge pic.

I have been horribly horribly busy for the Last 10 weeks or so (this is the first time I've even checked the forum in ages) so I've had no time to finish the neo-generic images which were allocated to me (Andres finished his in about 3 days=-) or anything.

Everything was so confused before Christmas, rushing to get Vikings Gold ready, that I have no idea what state the neo-standard website is in. Pretty shoddy, I imagine, since there was new data for it almost daily and I could barely keep up with the updates, and then there was the whole style changeover thing...

This weekend, however, I plan to spend 2 days giving my entire website a badly needed overhaul and get the Last non-gold Version of the vikings up for download.

I will assess the state of the neo-generic images and try to do any work which may be necessary, then upload everything.

If anyone has spotted anything on the website that needs doing, please let me know.