EA Arco - uncle moneybags

[PriestyMan]

source is by playing the game. try it dude. and to anaconda: no

[Scaramuccia]

I've tried the prod EA arco in SP oracle s6 + great scales (you could have omfg scales with it). It looked really good. You start to mass oreiads earlier and have great troops. Should give this build a try in MP.

[Immaculate]

Originally Posted by Mightypeon

Given that Drain 2 instead of Magic 1 saves a lot of points, and can be partly mitigated. Basically, one is getting 120 design points but pays significantly less in opportunity (compared to nations without heretics) for it. It can be very worthwhile to invest those in either even better scales or in an improved Pretender chassis.

Huh? whats that with the first part there? Is this a change i am unaware of?

[PriestyMan]

He means that it cost 40 points to have magic 1, but you gain 80 points by taking Drain 2.

[JonBrave]

Originally Posted by PriestyMan

source is by playing the game. try it dude.

Don't wikipedia rules apply for posts here?

[Deathblob]

Originally Posted by JonBrave

Don't wikipedia rules apply for posts here?

What's a wikipedia rule?

Anyway, clarification needed:

Healers can't heal afflictions on units with old age. The game doesn't track where the afflictions came from. They just check: are you trying to heal a unit with old age? Well, then you are out of luck. Chalice/GoH works, of course. And if you make the unit not-old any more (N path boost/B spell/TC spell) a healer can heal its afflictions.

[Colonial]

Originally Posted by Deathblob

Healers can't heal afflictions on units with old age. The game doesn't track where the afflictions came from. They just check: are you trying to heal a unit with old age? Well, then you are out of luck. Chalice/GoH works, of course. And if you make the unit not-old any more (N path boost/B spell/TC spell) a healer can heal its afflictions.

Oh. Ya learn something new every day. < runs to change multiplayer file >

That does actually match my results...

[legowarrior]

So, weird to resurrect such an old thread, but with CBM making sloth harder to take, is Bazz's original strategy still viable?

[Immaculate]

I recently wrote this is the Shared AAR experience thread (link).

Originally Posted by Immaculate

So, by this point I had tested some other arco builds, being very dissastified with the rate of expansion. I conclude that the sloth build for arco may have been viable in earlier version of the game but that the rate of income modification from the production scale is too great and impoverishes the player. Also, it greatly limits he rate of initial growth by limiting the number of troops one can hire. The strength is supposed to be that you save money by researching with philosophers instead of oreids or mystics but I would counter that with a production build you will make a lot more money because you will control way more provinces. The other end of this is that philosophers are old and you lose the research edge with nothing to show for it but dead philosophers; they cannot cast spells. If you choose to do your early research with mystics or oreids, then you can use them in battle… and you don’t lose them to old age.

All in all, I am very dissatisfied with my build but then again, I knew that it would be difficult to expand without an awake pretender and decided to proceed with it anyway. That was a mistake. If I were to do a sloth build again I would have taken an awake pretender. But more importantly, I would have taken a production build. I would be glad to hear someone argue the opposite point but that’s how I felt at this point in the game… and still do.

[legowarrior]

Thanks. Maybe if philosophers weren't capital only, there would be more interesting.... ah well.