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Fyron · #**122** December 4th, 2003, 02:49 AM

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Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
Fyron, I said legal and ethical, not dictionary. Stop posting that, I saw it the first time and it isn't relevent.

Ethically it is stealing. It is taking what you have no right to take, which comes directly from the dictionary definition. Performing such an action is not morally correct.

Legally it is stealing. Copyright infringement is stealing "ideas" and such that are not your own. Again, the dictionary definition makes this clear.

tesco samoa · #**123** December 4th, 2003, 02:52 AM

Fyron you have to rember the spirit of law is written so there is 100% understandment between all parties involved. If we took the M-W 1a) to court we would have a few problems

1) I download something and realise I downloaded something and delete it. I did not break 1a) As there was no intent to keep or make use of wrongfully. There are many different ways of taking this apart in a court of law.

Say the person who created the said item wishes for people to listen to it in what ever format they want and does not care about being paid. But they also to happen to have this release done by Blue Note in 1973 and it is not availble for purchase since it is backcat. I download it and I am still breaking your 1a) and what they want in the laws now.

THis is the beauty of Law and the theory behind it. And why it should lag behind society current thoughts. As it must stand the test of time. And when it needs to be changed. It must be changed exactly in a way that benifits what came before it and what benfits its society that it helps support. Not quite in the spirit of Hart and Holmes. but along those lines...

Geo good point.

But the question would be what are they trying to stand up to and make a point for. If it is just because they wish to listen to some songs here and there or is it because they wish to debate the structure of copyright and the errosion of public content or something else. Public content benifits a society. As societies can on benifit from the free flow of culture and ideas. It helps with the evolution of society and its art.

Fyron · #**124** December 4th, 2003, 03:00 AM

I will stand by my assessment that JayBdey was just trying to divert the actual conversation so he would not have to admit that he is wrong about only the law mattering and the fact that "steal" is a very narrow term according to him.

Legality did not enter the discussion until rather late, after he failed to convince me of his wrong point of view.

Of course laws have to be narrowly defined. I never said they didn't. But, laws are not what was being discussed until the diVersion, and I still take issue with the assessment that only what is legal matters.

Roanon · #**125** December 4th, 2003, 03:03 AM

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Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
Fyron, I said legal and ethical, not dictionary. Stop posting that, I saw it the first time and it isn't relevent.

How can you tell him to stop posting when he is the National Stubbornness Advisor?

Stop contradicting him, he will just ignore your opinion and everything else you post, and repeat his point of view over and over and over and over and over and over and over and again till we all are bored to death...

Fyron · #**126** December 4th, 2003, 03:04 AM

My point of view happens to be supported by the facts.

Roanon · #**127** December 4th, 2003, 03:14 AM

Sure, Fyron, you are the bellybutton of the universe, and no opinion or point of view beside yours has any right of existance.

Can anyone *please* close or lock this thread? Or install a conveniently configurable ignore function?

Hmm, all this makes me rethink my own opinion, if it concurs with Fyrons, MUST it be wrong?

[ December 04, 2003, 01:16: Message edited by: Roanon ]

Fyron · #**128** December 4th, 2003, 03:17 AM

Ok... whatever. I fail to see why I am being singled out for this harrassment when there are others in this very thread being more stubborn than I am.

The definition of "steal" is not an opinion. That, and I never said nor implied that other points of view have no right of existence. Not all points of view are correct though.

[ December 04, 2003, 01:19: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Phoenix-D · #**129** December 4th, 2003, 03:35 AM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
I will stand by my assessment that JayBdey was just trying to divert the actual conversation so he would not have to admit that he is wrong about only the law mattering and the fact that "steal" is a very narrow term according to him.

Fyron..he admited it was wrong in the FIRST POST he brought the "not stealing" idea up in.

EDIT: word-level typo.

[ December 04, 2003, 01:36: Message edited by: Phoenix-D ]

Phoenix-D · #**130** December 4th, 2003, 03:37 AM

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Originally posted by JayBdey:
Ah but there is where your argument is flawed.

Stealing would require me to take something, thus depriving the owner of use of the original. If I steal a car the car is gone, the owner no longer has it. But If I download some software, someone who payed for it doesn't loose their ability to use it. I have only made a copy. One more copy exists, at no cost to the maker (admittedly, at no profit either)

I could steal a painting, or I could take a picture of the painting. The painting is still there, but I also have use of it with my copy of it.

It is wrong, but it is not stealing.