New Finnish OOB

[Zipuli]

Originally Posted by Repe

Good work with Finnish forces weapons and vehicles!
I am truly sorry to rain on your parade BUT:
What TOE's (harjoitusmaaravahvuus A1) did you use since your formations do not always match official TOE documents from 1955 to 1990's.?
Good example is Pr80 organization that is a mix of Pr70 with different weapons.
Anyway, please don't take me wrong, you have done a huge job so far!

I bet you mean infantry based TOEs now?

For the 1950s - 1970s I've used the TOEs from various sources - from Upseerin Käsikirja I, II, III to HarjVahv A1 and to tank unit manuals from those times. But one has to remember that much was written on the pages of these manuals that could never have materialized (and the manuals state this too!): The weapon amounts do not take into account the lack of these weapons and big number of units. A lot would have been ad-hoc in its nature if troops would have been mobilized. This is why I've included a number of sections with different weapons mix for the early times...

The REAL TOEs for war time troops (mobilization information with names and weapons in store for them) are not available of course.

If you wonder about the section sizes and lack of certain units in formations, this is because I've tried to keep the platoon sizes correct while keeping the number of sections playable. An example:

Joukkue 91 (Pasi) without attached FO section:
-Platoon Ldr
-Platoon Sgt
-Medic
-Messenger
-3*section of 7 men (in 3rd sec there is 3 man APILAS patrol that works independently most of the time + 4 men)
(-3 Pasi drivers)
=25(+3)

In game its now 3 sections of 8 men and 3 man AT-patrol = 27. This way (in game) you have a platoon that is battle worthy and has allmost correct number of men with the tools the game provides. I did have the "correct" platoon TOE in the early versions of this mod:
-4 man "Platoon Command Unit"
-2* 7 man Jaeger Section
-4 man Jaeger Section
-3 man AT-Patrol
-> This way the platoon was not battle worthy in the game, as only the 2 full sections had enough firepower and staying power in the game world, where enemy units consist only of "fighting sections".

Did this answer anything? If you have something specific in mind, please be more precise with the question. In short, yes, I've used numerous "official sources" (that have some contradiction with each other, and are not 100% "realistic", hence the name "HARJOITUSVAHVUUS" - TOE in which the troops practice during peace-time) and I have also edited them for best balance between real world and SPMBT world. And yes, there may be a lot of typos and errors in there, so if you have something specific in mind, please go ahead and post me and I'll see if there's something wrong/missing etc.

PS. Next version of the MOD should be available this weekend and it is for 4.5 of SPMBT

[Zipuli]

Newest Version (6.2) For Winspmbt 4.5 Is Ready And Available At The 1st Post In This Thread!

[Zipuli]

Due to changes in Russian OOB in 4.5, the scenarios have some issues... Will fix soon!

[DRG]

You'll need to check them both with scenhack AND manually becasue any unit that was deleted and replaced with something different may not be picked up by scenhack

Don

[Zipuli]

Roger, thanks!

[Zipuli]

THIS IS THE PATCH FOR FINMOD V.6.2:

FIXED:
-scenarios with Russian/USSR OOB work now correctly

CHANGES:
-all BMP-2s now use the new and better looking icons from SPMBT v.4.5
-CV9030FIN armour rating revised: slightly lighter armour, price dropped a few points
-improved PKT sound

ADDED:
-new CV9030FIN icon
-new PKM sound
-new 40mm AGL sound

[Koh]

Great job! Finally a proper sound effect for the AGLs.

[Warhero]

Wow thanks Zipuli! Good work.

[Zipuli]

A small update of what's going on:

OOB has seen some slight updates:
-added 2 new sound files for 35mm Oerlikon AAG and 23mm ZSU-23-2 AAG
-some minor fixes here and there in the OOB -data

But the main beef is:
-A new campaign in cooperation with Ulf Lundström, taking place in autumn 1996, when Vladimir Zhirinovski wins the presidential elections and decides to invade Finland as first step in his pursuit of the Russian borders of year 1900. Campaign will play some 10+ scenarios long with player commanding an Armoured Battalion (org 95) in attempt to first push the enemy back across Kymijoki, and then counter-attacking from north to create a Motti east of Kymijoki..
-Finnish map pack of approximately 15 new, big and accurate maps from the campaign area (Elimäki area and surrounding area of Road 6 from Kouvola to Luumäki, plus few other locations such as Artjärvi). The maps naturally don't need the mod to work
-some new scenarios

Zip

[Zipuli]

The campaign introduction:

"After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the new Russian state is in disarray. Corruption is ever present, politics have not much power over events, the currency is worthless and worst of all the Army is in shambles. Boris Jeltsin, a national hero of a sort was elected president, but achieved little more than a reputation as a drunken old man raving about in the duma, appointing relatives to most important offices. This lead to a rise of radical, hard-liner politicians and communist admirers and a strong sympathy towards them during the second presidential elections in 1996. But no one expected Vladimir Zhirinovski of the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia, an ultra-nationalistic party, to win. Yet he did so after making an alliance with general Lebedev, behind whom the army stood. To distract the russian people of the catasthropical state of the country, Zhirinovski starts to pursue a policy to reunite Russia with the borders from year 1900.

In the north, Russia's neighbour and WW2 adversary Finland watches the development behind its borders with little enthusiasm. After the fall of the Soviet Union, Finnish policy was no longer that of balancing between west and east in opinions, and the radical leftists from 1970s are no longer the loudest voice. But still talking of the war between Soviet Union and Finland, and the alliance with Germany is a taboo. When Zhirinovski approached Finland about his agenda of giving Karelia back to the Finns and offering autonomy in the new Russian state, he was not taken seriously. This was a grave mistake, as Zhirinovski was gambling with high stakes. He needed a succesful war to make the Russian people proud of themselves and to assure the world that Russia still is a super power. The Finns watched astonished as the Russian head of state started threatening president Ahtisaari and the Finnish goverment to subdue to his will. At this point Ahtisaari did his best to reason with Zhirinovski but failed.

In summer 1996 The Finnish Defence Forces ordered to start mobilizing some of the most important units under the name of "additional refresher training for reservists". In Russia this cautionary act is taken as an act of extreme aggression, maybe even a sign of preparing to take holy Russian soil in Karelia by force. The Russian army soon masses forces on the Finnish border, something that surprises the whole world as no one believed the Russian army was in condition to do anything. Yet they manage to mobilize a whole Army to "defend" Karelia. Even with over 50 percent of the USSR era equipment out of order the gathered force is formiddable.

Russian attack on Finland commences suddenly and without notice in July 1996. Advancing along Highways (Roads) 6 and 7 west the Russians learn the Finns are not going to give up without a fight. Casualties on both sides are massing, yet the red steamroller pushes on, finally reaching Kymijoki -riverline, a natural barrier half way on the path to Helsinki. Finns on the east side of Kymijoki have "melted" into the dense forests creating an illusion of being defeated, but it's just part of the defence doctrine. Recovering from the shock, the Finnish Army moves its reserves for a counter-attack. Along the forces is the 1st Armoured Brigade, that was mobilized in Hameenlinna and has been training vigorously for the coming mission. When the order is received, the Brigade heads east to face what will most likely be a bitter battle with expectation of high casualties. Already the Finnish soldiers on east side of Kymijoki have started sissi (guerilla-) operations to harass the Russian flow of supplies and to tie reserves in futile pursuit to stop the ever increasing number of attacks along the highways.

You are in command of 3rd Battalion, 1st Armoured Brigade (3.PsP/1.PsPr). And you know that the brigade you belong to is in key role when deciding the fate of Finland."