OT: Alien Contact

[Fyron]

Originally posted by DavidG:

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Originally posted by Taera:
[QBAliens, if they are, are most likely more primitive than us or at the same level

Well I dont thing I agree with this. The galaxy is what... 4 billion years old? (or is that just the Earth?? ) Just think how much we have advanced in the Last oh say 200 years. Either way we have advanced a hell of a lot in a time space that on a cosmic scale is extremely small.[/QB]

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The Galaxy is something like 6-8 billion years old, and the Universe is between 12 and 20 billion years old. The Milky Way was around long before Sol and the Earth came about.

[Fyron]

And what says these events weren't predicted? And no, you saying it does not count.

Because IT WAS WRITTEN AFTER THOSE EVENTS TOOK PLACE. Maybe you will see that if I capitalize it.

But you are saying, "I am right because I say everything was postdicted." You have yet to back that up either. Therefore I am right in saying your arguments are not based either. For you to argue that I am wrong you must prove it as well, which you have failed to do thus far.

Sure I have. If you take a look at my previous sentence, that pretty much sums up how you are wrong.

You are taking the points that I bring out and turning them into something I did not mean. It may be my fault for not being more clear but still.
Sure from 4Billion BC to 1914 there were alot. But I wasn't speaking of that time frame. I'm speaking of when mankind was put on the earth to 1914.

Ignoring the erroneous "put on the earth" bit... there were many more earthquakes from about 2 million BC (when the first ancestors of modern humans evolved) to 1914 than there have been from 1914 until the present day.

I have given real proof in that the predictions that were written in the Bible were intold fulfilled in secular history. You have denied this by saying that these things were written after the fact but that is not the case.
You are providing no evidence yourself in order to prove me wrong, you are simply saying that I am wrong because you say so.

Umm... Babylon was long gone by the time the Bible was written. Basic elementary school history lessons will tell you that. Your real proof is not real at all, and certainly not proof. It is completely wrong. The New Testament was mostly written about the time that this Jesus guy was alive, which is millennia after Babylon fell. It is millennia after they sacked Jerusalem. Since you are a Christian, the New Testament is the most important part of the Bible to you, so it is the most relevant part.

Therefore, since you have yet to truely prove one of my points wrong your arguments to do just that have failed and it is a draw.

Very basic knowledge of history is enough to know that your arguments are wrong. I guess not everyone learned stuff in school. Should I go get a 6th grade history book for you to prove these things?

Edit: I am finally done with my part of the discussion. Neither one of us are getting anywhere with it so lets move on.

Only because you ignore basic historical facts so that your beliefs remain valid. Noone knows exactly when past events occured, yet you seem to claim that you do, and you know when they happened. Does the Bible tell you when they happened?

Edit2: And also I believe the forum guildlines prohibited getting into Bible discussions on this forum so I will refrain from doing just that. If others wish to continue conversation feel free.

Forum guidelines? I have not heard of those. I have also seen a number of discussions similar to this one on Shrapnel over the years that were not moderated away. There is no problem continuing this discussion.

Can anyone remember who was the sci-fi author that invented this?

No clue. I don't think Asimov used hyperspace, and Lucas didn't really create anything original. I don't read a lot of older sci-fi, so I couldn't tell you.

Originally posted by Ragnarok:
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Kind of odd when you consider that the Bible was written well after all of those historical events. None of this historical events were predicted at all. The authors of the Bible simply wrote it after the fact, and wrote it as if they were predicting the future.

And what says these events weren't predicted? And no, you saying it does not count.

Wow you guys are just getting confusing now. I'm sure IF will have an answer but it would seem to me the fact (which you don't seem to be disputing) that the bible was written after these events would sort of mean it didn't predict them.

That is indeed a fact. It is a fact that Rags enjoys disregarding, as it directly contradicts his beliefs. Can't possibly look at facts that would do that, now can we?

To Rags:
Me saying it comes from going through school and becoming educated enough to have a basic understanding of when historical events took place. If I were a historian, I could probably cite you references that would dispel that myth that you believe about the Bible predicting actual events quite quickly.

[Taera]

i dont like getting into this topic but i'll just post my thoughts. dont go too far people, and keep it civil.

it depends what bible are you talking about.
the original bible (forgive me for not knowing the name you call it on English) which i studied in Israel, AFAIK, had been written in parts. Near a thirdth of the books were written as events happened, another thirdth was written after things happened and the Last one was written from stories and memories. That is what i remember, i might be wrong. I know at least one book though which is proven to have been written as events in it took place. I cant remember the name now and wouldnt be able to translate it into English anyways.

[Desdinova]

it is entirely plausible that aliens could/would be more advanced than us. we have made huge leaps in technology in the Last 50-100 years. but there is a period in our history called the dark ages in which knowledge was repressed, iirc, it Lasted about 400-500 years. if that either did not occur or did not Last as long then current technology could be even greater than it is now. so if an alien society was about to avoid it then they could/would be more advanced than us technologically.

[Taera]

makes me think and i agree with you desdinova. if aliens could have avoided the genetical will of people to spit into their neighbour's soup (quote from somewhere) - or put his head on lance, if its Dark Age - their advancements could have went much faster and in a way different way. (yea right)

Such species would make a lethal mistake would they ever contact humanity - their weaponry would be inferior and once WE could get there someone would initiate a crusade against them (sooner or later - im skeptical about that part of humans). If they came to here they were intilligent enough to realize this and simply left us alone which returns us to the quote:

the proof that there is an intelligent life out there is that no one tried to contact us

[Fyron]

Originally posted by Taera:
i dont like getting into this topic but i'll just post my thoughts. dont go too far people, and keep it civil.

it depends what bible are you talking about.
the original bible (forgive me for not knowing the name you call it on English) which i studied in Israel, AFAIK, had been written in parts. Near a thirdth of the books were written as events happened, another thirdth was written after things happened and the Last one was written from stories and memories. That is what i remember, i might be wrong. I know at least one book though which is proven to have been written as events in it took place. I cant remember the name now and wouldnt be able to translate it into English anyways.

Well... Christians almost always refer mostly to the New Testament when refering to the Bible, as that is the part with the fictional tales about Jesus and all. Either way... written as events took place is wholly different from written as predictions that came true.

[ZeroAdunn]

Wow, this topic is getting way out of hand. First, there needs to be some clerity on how the bible was written, it was not written by one person (not even god as some christians claim) it is a collection of parts written by numerous authors. Jesus himself never actually wrote anything, it was all his disciples. Other parts of course were written by the jews long before christianity.

As for being "educated," that means nothing. Most people have some education, most just have it in different fields.

I once had a reall awakening in thought, that changed me forever, it started with one simple phrase, "China does not exist, it is a myth made up by the government to scare small children into eating their vegetables" consider:

Have you ever seen china? No? Then how do you know it exists. Pictures can be forged, people can lie, books are just things written on paper. Without seeing, you cannot know, and even then there is no way to validate reality, as it is all perception. We all choose our reality to live in, that cannot be denied by anyone, so choose to live in a good one, and don't !@*% with my reality....

[Fyron]

As for being "educated," that means nothing. Most people have some education, most just have it in different fields.

The only point of mentioning that word was to tell Rags where my information about the Bible being written after the events it supposedly predicted came from.

[Taera]

i say, topic's closed. back on original topic.

[Fyron]

I say, it will continue to be discussed as long as we want to.

I think I ticked a few people off. I got 4 more Ratings, and my average dropped by .05 points.

[ February 27, 2003, 08:29: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]