today is 80th anniversary of Warsaw ghetto uprising in 1943

[blazejos]

Today is exactly 80 years since the beginning of Warsaw ghetto uprising that was a first of big uprisings against German rule inside occupied Europe. If you ask why Jews in ghetto from both their underground military organizations ZZW and ŻOB start this upraising to my mind comes words of Marek Edelman (ZOB second in command):

The majority of us favoured an uprising. After all, humanity had agreed that dying with arms was more beautiful than without arms. [...] All it was about, ultimately, was that we not just let them slaughter us when our turn came. It was only a choice as to the manner of dying.
From ‘Shielding the Flame’, trans. by Joanna Stasinska and Lawrence Weschler

Official webpage with all the events related to anniversary
https://www.warsaw1943.pl/en/

Info about anniversary
https://tvpworld.com/59705545/warsaw...hetto-uprising

long transmission from main event by Memorial of Warsaw Ghetto Upraising 2:52:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfU37DUMsWA
interesting moments inside
00:18:58 Events starts with sirens and bells
00:28:29 Three Presidents come
00:36:50 Holocaust survivor Marian Turski speech [only in polish no translation ]
00:54:20 Polish President speech [partially in polish no translation ]
00:57:52[English translation starts since there to the end of transmission]
01:18:30 Israel President speech
01:35:03 German President speech
01:54:39 President of world Jewish congress speech
02:04:33 Mayor of Warszawa speech
02:13:57 Prayer for the fallen
02:22:50 Military remembrance of the fallen fighters


Shielding the flame animated movie 18:46 about Marek Edelman mentioned earlier and his role in fights in ghetto (he surrived in 1943 fights also in Warsaw upraising in 1944)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvKMAzfPJiA

There was no hope. Warsaw Ghetto Uprising 19th April 1943 other documentary movie 29:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOpKGTz4GJA

And final of this story is inside book pol:"Rozmowy z katem" "Conversations with an Executioner" also printed in English https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conver...an_Executioner where both German commander who destroyed Warsaw ghetto and AK underground solider who fight with him during relief actions for support ghetto upraising both share the same death cell in Communistic Poland both for supporting Nazism .

[DRG]

That period in history is mainly remembered in faded B&W as in this iconic photo



but it takes on a far greater impact in this colorized version I recently found

[Ts4EVER]

As horrible as that photo is, it has an interesting array of non-standard German small-arms, namely two MP41, one MP28 and the goon in the background has a Danish made Suomi SMG, of all things.

[Mobhack]

Ah, Germany AKA "Kleptomaniacs R' Us"...

Must have been a real "fun" job, working as a loggie in the KRU army - if you didnt start out raving bonkers, you would very soon be!

[DRG]

Those units got the capture weapons and leftovers that didn't go to front-line units so they will be a mix of weaponry. The Suomi could have come from any number of places but it was reportedly used / available to the Polish police up to 1939 and that photo was taken in Poland so the most likely source

[blazejos]

Commander in the middle with hat is SS-Gruppenführer Jürgen Stroop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%BCrgen_Stroop book about him is mentioned earlier. His famous text is Stroop Report from which this photo come from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroop_Report

MOCZARSKI'S CASE 5min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ajwlBZc0lI

Moust intresting monologues from Moczarski book 17min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOF-nVTtx-g

"New photos" from Ghetto upraising found not so long ago
https://polin.pl/pl/aktualnosci/2023...tania-w-getcie

Warsaw Ghetto museum best place to find photos and maps
https://1943.pl/en/

For me this photos are most moving
Ruins of Ghetto in 1947 Gęsia street


After 1943 upraising Germans created on former ghetto death camp Konzentrationslager Warschau "Gęsiówka" in the middle of aerial photo and leveled all the ruins to this what you see on that photo they stole and send to Reich everything with use of dethcamp slave labor even bricks and cables from ruins. Also ruins were use for mass executions of inmates and peoples catch in round-up's in Warszawa. Wall was preserved and whole area was called "neutral zone" Everyone who entered there without permission was killed without warning. Finally in 1944 when Warsaw upraising started that is what was seen by AK soldiers who move through ruins of former Warsaw Ghetto. During that time also Death camp was liberated and Jews (most Hungarians and Greeks) were liberated https://pl-m-wikipedia-org.translate..._x_tr_pto=wapp

I try to simulate this level of destruction in scenario about 1944 The W hour on Wola district but how simulate a nearly lunar surface?

here more photos and what survive on Wola district
https://war-documentary.info/remnants-of-warsaw-ghetto/

[Ts4EVER]

Originally Posted by DRG

Those units got the capture weapons and leftovers that didn't go to front-line units so they will be a mix of weaponry. The Suomi could have come from any number of places but it was reportedly used / available to the Polish police up to 1939 and that photo was taken in Poland so the most likely source

We collected quite a bit of unit report documents for the Forgotten Hope 2 mod and sometimes it is interesting what the Germans used. Some of that stuff is not well represented in most games or the public image of World War 2. One example is that as the war drew to a close, the Germans started to issue large numbers of Beretta smgs in all kinds of units, as MP40 production was phased out. Because of that I tend to mix in a few MP379(i) in my late war scenarios, just as a detail.
The Suomi is more rare, but the elite Führer Grenadier Division actually had 59 on hand, source unknown.

[DRG]

....and they were quite happy to pick up and use whatever they found lying around that worked so you could give them virtually anything and be probably correct

[Ts4EVER]

Generally true, but there are certainly trends. For example, the Italian smgs started showing up in the "German weapons" area instead of "Captured Weapons" and were used as standard gear starting in late 44.