SP, MLRS and SPAA Developments

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Alright S-300 systems the Ukraine has or will have by tomorrow.

Ukraine has operated the S-300PMU which is a 2nd GEN improved model equivalent to the SOVIET/Russian S-300PS/SA-10B and made available in 1989.
Russia and the Ukraine are the only operators of this system.

Slovakia (Not Slovenia as I earlier posted.) operate the more advanced S-300PMU-1 the big difference here is in the radar tracking system. From Ref. 2 ...
"The SA-10D, later redesignated SA-20 Gargoyle, was subjected to what Russian sources describe as a deep modernization with design changes to most key components of the system. The aim was to improve its basic capabilities as a SAM, extend radar and engagement footprints, increase the level of automation in the system, and introduce an anti-ballistic missile capability against ballistic missiles with re-entry speeds of up to 2.8 km/sec. It is intended to engage combat aircraft at all altitudes, cruise missiles and tactical ballistic missiles, making it an equivalent to the PAC-1 and PAC-2 Patriot variants."

Operators of both systems from both refs:
The S-300PMU is in service with Russia and Ukraine. The improved S-300PMU-1 has been exported to China, Greece, Slovakia and Vietnam.
http://www.military-today.com/missiles/s300_pmu.htm
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Grumb...mozTocId106894
(Missile weapons chart sorted by system near bottom above S-300P/S-400 tech data section.
ALSO NOTE SLOVAKIAN SYSTEM above Almaz S-300PMU / SA-10B/C Grumble B/C launcher system section.

So, Ukraine now operates both systems.

Regards,
Pat

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Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

Alright S-300 systems the Ukraine has or will have by tomorrow.

Ukraine has operated the S-300PMU which is a 2nd GEN improved model equivalent to the SOVIET/Russian S-300PS/SA-10B and made available in 1989.
Russia and the Ukraine are the only operators of this system.

Slovakia (Not Slovenia as I earlier posted.) operate the more advanced S-300PMU-1 the big difference here is in the radar tracking system. From Ref. 2 ...
"The SA-10D, later redesignated SA-20 Gargoyle, was subjected to what Russian sources describe as a deep modernization with design changes to most key components of the system. The aim was to improve its basic capabilities as a SAM, extend radar and engagement footprints, increase the level of automation in the system, and introduce an anti-ballistic missile capability against ballistic missiles with re-entry speeds of up to 2.8 km/sec. It is intended to engage combat aircraft at all altitudes, cruise missiles and tactical ballistic missiles, making it an equivalent to the PAC-1 and PAC-2 Patriot variants."

Operators of both systems from both refs:
The S-300PMU is in service with Russia and Ukraine. The improved S-300PMU-1 has been exported to China, Greece, Slovakia and Vietnam.
http://www.military-today.com/missiles/s300_pmu.htm
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Grumb...mozTocId106894
(Missile weapons chart sorted by system near bottom above S-300P/S-400 tech data section.
ALSO NOTE SLOVAKIAN SYSTEM above Almaz S-300PMU / SA-10B/C Grumble B/C launcher system section.

So, Ukraine now operates both systems.

Regards,
Pat

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2022/0...re-hit-russia/

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation claims that the S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems donated by Slovakia to Ukraine have already been destroyed after the missile strikes.

Maybe true......... maybe not


https://www.republicworld.com/world-...ticleshow.html

Slovakia Brushes Off Russia's Claim Of Destroying S-300 Defence System Provided To Ukraine
Slovakia's Prime Minister Eduard Heger denied Russia's claim of destroying the S-300 defence system which was handed over to Ukraine amid the ongoing war.

Slovakia's Prime Minister Eduard Heger, on Monday, denied Russia's claim of destroying the S-300 defence system which was handed over to Ukraine amid the ongoing war. "Slovakia categorically denies Russian propaganda that the S-300 defence system in Ukraine has been destroyed. This is a hoax. It has been officially confirmed by Ukraine," Heger wrote in a Twitter post.

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I'm not buying it.

The timeline just doesn't quite fit from when they got into country to have gotten all the way to Eastern Ukraine in, like a day, I'm not so sure about that being reality.

Regards,
Pat

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I can confirm now that the Ukraine is now operating these and that the Czech Republic OOB needs it added START JAN 2018.
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/dana.htm
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/dana_m1_cz.htm
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...o_ukraine.html

WITH MY HEAD "BOBBING", I somehow managed to do separate posts and the one with the least amount of info was this one.

Ukraine was conducting an evaluation of the DANA M1 CZ for a few months before the war. The DANA M1 CZ went service on JAN 2018 with the Czech Republic.

The Ukrainians put the DANA M1 CZ into service this month along with additional units also shipped in from the Czech Republic. Ukraine START APR 2022.

I understand this might get in this cycle; I'll get it done on my end.

Regards,
Pat

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Simply a most interesting article and I have to admit the performance of the Ukrainian Kvitnyk laser-guided shells have exceeded my expectations and I suspect some of the Western militaries as well. Some of the videos I've seen certainly and literally made me say WHhaat!?! Anyway, a good read.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...16eacdf818ddc1
https://ukroboronprom.com.ua/en/product/kvitnik
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=3327c09140fd
(Watch the video and as this article indicates at the 38s mark, you'll see the laser "sparkle" drop on target center screen.)

Regards,
Pat

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Highly unlikely that the Ukraine either has or will have the M270 MRLS/or M142 HIMARS or both.

For one by law, they have to be reported and still approved for foreign sales by the State Dept. before POTUS approves the sale. He's not going to risk any "political capital" at a time when Congress as of yesterday just took up what I believe will be the largest weapons package to date that the President has thus far asked approval for. He has bi-partisan support for this bill which will put us at ~4.2 billion dollars since the war started.

Also, you need to realize 1. There's been no discussion on that equipment with exception that President Zelinsky had just asked about these weapons maybe a week ago.

Well I can ensure any reader that there's NO WAY we can "dumb down" those systems in a week, ship them and have them trained on these platforms.

I believe Mr. Cooper has overestimated our capabilities.

Here's what I think they'll receive and it's hot off the wire from yesterday. TAIWAN will be receiving the M1A2T (The 1st tanks we've sent them in 25-30yrs.) (Along with this tank we also entered the M1A2P with both in their respective OOB's. The Australian M1A2A however at this time is not in the OOB because their MOD has stated it won't reach IOC until sometime in 2025.) but also slated for delivery was the PALIDAN M109A6.

That however isn't going to happen at this time though I suspect we might send them possibly the M777A2 as a consolation prize. Those M109A6 will be "dumbed down" though how many are ready to be shipped based on delivery dates that were set for Taiwan is unknown.

The article does mention production line issues so this could mean we need to replenish our own equipment, or the Ukraine will be receiving more M777 pieces as another option.

"The first eight howitzers for Taiwan were scheduled for delivery in 2023, 16 in 2024, and the last 16 in 2025. These howitzers form part of the first arms package for Taiwan to be approved by the Biden administration since it assumed power in January 2021."

Here's the read...
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...sian_army.html

NETHERLAND confirms...
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...o_ukraine.html

NORWAY will send ...
The M109A3GN 155mm (Updated version from the German M109A3G.) which was in the process to come out of service this year or just did this past year. The Netherlands will retain the more highly updated M109A3GNM 155mm (14) (For now.) and newer K9 155mm (24).

Based on the following looks like we'll be doing our training of the Ukrainians in Germany ...
But first, "These efforts build on the initial artillery training that Ukraine's forces already have received elsewhere and also includes..."

Translation, they're using our M777.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...in_germany.htm

Regards,
Pat

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Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

The article does mention production line issues so this could mean we need to replenish our own equipment, or the Ukraine will be receiving more M177 pieces as another option.


Translation, they're using our M177.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...in_germany.htm

Regards,
Pat

Pat.......WTF is a M177 ?