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May 15th, 2020, 01:53 PM
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Re: Weapons accuracy
Or if you suspect air is coming, run some sacrificial trucks around in high speed circles as bait. Might work, if you are into gamey tactics..
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May 15th, 2020, 02:10 PM
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Re: Weapons accuracy
In reality (I don't know about crunchies, i.e. grunts or the infantryman), but us tankers hated and feared jets, we could not shoot at them, and if they came over our ao we would go like mad into trees to hide from them (this was versus our own air in exercises in Germany with MILES equipment on).
Once in the desert we were doing maintenance ('cat napping') on our tank and an Warthog buzzed over the top of us (about 10 feet about us) and I think we all had to change our under garments, you can't hear those things until they are right on top of you, thank God they were on our side, I still can hear the Bbbbburrrpp and know that is 1k or so rounds ripping something to shreds.
Once our Earth Pig (FOO in a modified M113) called in a 'Shake and Bake' and they dropped 2k iron bombs on some Iraqi bunkers and followed that up with gas bombs (we could not use napalm).
Choppers you can shoot, with your 50 cal, but when they are hovering over your tank about 15 to 20 feet up your sure glad they are on your side as they are sending out their rockets of death.
Pretty crazy stuff.
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May 15th, 2020, 03:12 PM
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Re: Weapons accuracy
The OR guys analysing air strikes after Normandy found that the main effect on armoured units was the sheer panic disorganisation that the strike would cause to the march column. The tankers would charge full speed offroad into the bushes or simply bail from the tanks and take cover in roadside ditches - where they were in more danger from the strafing, really.
Intuitively they knew that if they stayed buttoned up then they were likely to survive, but enough of them had seen or knew of someone who talked about having seen what a (rare) direct bomb or rocket hit did. So they were not willing to take any chances and saw evasion as the key. Basic human psycology at work.
It took a fair amount of time post strike to get the rabbits back in thier hutches and all pointed in the same direction. Plus rapid turns off-road would throw tracks or have tanks falling into roadside ditches etc, and some injuries to be dealt with from the avoidance - add a few casualties from flying bits of metal on tankies cowering in the ditches or behind roadside walls etc.
The real "killing" effect of air strikes on armour were when the logistics train got brewed up, then the clockwork mice eventually stopped running without the loggies around.
They found some tanks post-Falaise gap air strikes (and/or massed arty) that had been left abandoned with motors idling in the bocage high-sided lanes as they were completely surrounded by a wire tangle of mangled trucks and howitzers, dead horsed transports etc which the tanks simply could not actually cross. (Piano wire used in Italian vineyards was also a surprising tank-sticker. It wrapped round the sprockets like an old rope does for a boat's propellor.)
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June 6th, 2020, 07:31 AM
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Re: Weapons accuracy
And I'll bet if you had the game saved from just before those two turns and you ran it again after shutting your computer down and re-booting you'd see different results.
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June 6th, 2020, 08:34 AM
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Re: Weapons accuracy
Pretty sure I would that is not going to happen twice.
Paid the price already sent in the planes as thought I had cleared the AA on that side. Both hit one shot down by Marder's on first run
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June 6th, 2020, 09:00 AM
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Re: Weapons accuracy
I have ran saves (for testing) twice without shutting down and it’s always different. Sometimes completely different in that P1 got the worse for wear than P2. Truely random.
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June 6th, 2020, 01:42 PM
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Re: Weapons accuracy
As I said - we do not save the random seed in game saves to restore the pseudo-random sequence on a save game reload. Some games apparently do - the easy way to get around such games that do that sort of 'spoiler' tactic, is to do different things on reloading the save (fire units in different orders, move something differently etc).
I think we do one set to the clock variable on entry is all, from memory.
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