Helo News game related.

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by DRG

During the time the Sycamore would be in service there are far more useful helos available with a greater carry capacity which is why it's not included.

Maybe, but it was Sycamore, that was actually used The Whirlwind came about that time, but the article says, that Sycamore proved the superiority at higher altitudes in Cyprus mountains. Of course, treat it just as a hint, you are the boss. In any case, they sometimes flew with Bren guns.

BTW: I've just checked in said "War machine" no 96 and it seems, that Belvedere appears much too early (1950) - its predecessor first flew in 1952, and series Belvederes were delivered to the RAF from 8/1961 only, and remained until 3/69 (now 65).

I think to characterize the EOKA as terrorists is a stretch. ... The EOKA were nationalist fighting to kick the Brits out of their country.

Of course, it was not my intention and I don't know who was right. Killing people is generally bad. Although calling armed bands as "terrorists" or "freedom fighters" depends largely on a point of view...

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

BTW: I've just checked in said "War machine" no 96 and it seems, that Belvedere appears much too early (1950) - its predecessor first flew in 1952, and series Belvederes were delivered to the RAF from 8/1961 only, and remained until 3/69 (now 65).

I've noticed, that Belvedere (British, I assume) is present also in Malaysian oob in the same period. Speaking of which, 320 Whirlwind has Wessex icon.

[Pibwl]

I've read an article on A129 Mangusta development in Polish "Nowa Technika Wojskowa" 9/2015, and it shows, that Italian Mangustas shouldn't use Hellfire, and they should have 20 mm gun instead of 12.7mm.

Italian OOB34

505 A-129 Mangusta - only Mangusta CBT were integrated with Stinger, not early variant.

506 A-129 Mangusta - there were no Italian Mangustas with Hellfire, especially early variant. It was only proposed for export Mangusta International variant (confirmed at https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/AgustaWestland_AW129 )

507,510 A-129 CBT - there were no Hellfire armed Italian variants

508,509 A-129 CBT - it should have #179 20 mm M197 gun, not 12.7mm.
However, TI and RF values should remain on ordinary A-129 level, because there were no substantial changes in this field, mostly engines and armament (no TI, no laser RF). EW has been improved, FC could have been improved as well (newer software)

I'm not sure if 7 x 2x81 mm rockets is correct, since it carries two launchers with 7 rockets each (1 rocket for 1 HE?)

Hellfire-armed 507, 510 should be replaced with new A-129D Mangusta with 20 mm M197 gun and Spike-ER (I don't know how many - 4?), with all remaining stats based upon current A-129 CBT (TI 40, EW 7, FC 40, RF 14).
Modified helicopters were tested from 9/13, but I'm not sure when they became operational. According to https://zbiam.pl/12-tys-godzin-wlosk...-afganistanie/ they operated over Afghanistan since 11/2014

A-129 CBT with 8 TOW and 2x7 81mm rockets is also possible https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mangusta_EI.jpg

910 Agusta 129 EA-1 - there was no such Italian variant in 1997. Only export International was proposed wih 20 mm gun at that time. Italian A129 CBT was fitted with 20mm gun eventually, but appeared in 2002 (units 507-510). 51mm rockets are not listed as A129 armament - only 81 mm and 70 mm Hydra


Turkey OOB32


620-623 T-129 - basic T-129A were commissioned from 6/14, but armed with 20mm M179 Gattling and 70 mm rockets only (up to 4 x 19).

Only T-129B were meant to be armed with UMTAS AT-missiles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTAS) - no Hellfire or Tow used.
It can use also Cirit rockets https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roketsan_Cirit and Stingers. They were to be delivered from late 2015, but I'm not sure if they have entered service already.

Name could be T129 ATAK https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/TUSA%C5%9E_T-129_Atak (it also confirms deliveries of the first one in 4/14)

[Pibwl]

Hungary OOB 38

Bought 20 helicopters H145M - deliveries starting from 11/19 https://www.airforce-technology.com/...pters-hungary/

From 11/20 several were upgraded to H145M HForce armed variant, apparently typically with one 12-tube rocket launcher (68 mm or 70 mm, I don't know which they chose) and 20 mm gun pod (photo: https://milmag.pl/uzbrojone-h145m-na-wegrzech/). According to https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...an-h145m-helos they were going to be operational only in 7/21.

[DRG]

I guess some adjustments need to be made....... In any event, it would go in as a light helo UC 204

[Pibwl]

BTW, there is a mention about 3 troops carried (and 12 delivered by four helos), but if Sycamore had capacity 1+4 for game purpose, it could carry an existing scout section (I don't know if two pilots were mandatory and why they didn't use up its small capacity 2+3 better...).

[DRG]

There's a new Icon for the HOK-1 Huskie which is the weirdest damned helo I have ever seen but it was designed by Flettner and there's just nothing else like it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRI1roI-vk4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R_T0UgL7jk

[DRG]

It would appear these are not already in the game and it would appear that at least 6 OOB's should have them so this goes on the list for the next update.

[blazejos]

Hi
Have a question will be usefully if I will done this new icon's for Mi-2 with ATGM's and MMG's for other than only polish OOB will be some benefit from that for the game?

I looked for Mi-2 versions

Mi-2T basic transport (may be armed in 2xPK in rear windows)
Mi-2P Vip transport
Mi-2US (Uzbrojenie Strzeleckie) NS-23mm & 4 PK MMG's on sides installed on small wings 30 examples build because not very effective rebuild to different versions letter. First deliveries to units in November 1973
Mi-2URN (Uzbrojenie Rakietowe Niekierowane) NS-23mm & 2PK in windows & 2x pods with 16 57mm rockets unguided S-5K or S-5M on small wings first build in this version in 1972 some rebuild from Mi-2US 26 build. First delivery January 1973
Mi-2URP (Uzbrojenie Rakietowe Przeciwpancerne) NS-23mm & with Malutka guided rockets 4 rockets on sides + 4 additional inside for fast reloading. Between 1975- 1985 44 build for LWP. Last 3 build in new standard Mi-2URP-G rest in meantime rebuild for this new standard
Mi-2URS(Uzbrojenie Rakietowe Samonaprowadzające) NS-23mm & with Striela-2M rockets build as "fighter" against aircraft's. Experiments starts in 1982 but such specialised helicopter with limited AA capabilities rockets wasn't very usefully so was decided to go with mixed next version. So this variant was only experimental
Mi-2URP-G (URP plus Gad), Know as "Gniewosz-Salamandra" NS-23mm & with combined 4x Malutka and 4x Striela 2M rockets ( 2x Gad pods). Only 3 build as new helicopters rest rebuild from variant Mi-2URP. So they were armed with 4x Malutka'and 4x Striela 2M. Sometimes in units armed with 2x Malutka and Gad pod from one side and 1x pod with 16 57mm rockets S-5K/M from other side that configuration was used because flexibility during training. In 2007 14x helicopters of armed variants were modified with Night vision googles.

Ns-23mm


Mars-2 pod


Malutka firings pod


Malutka and Gad from Gniewosz-Salamandra



Mi-2 "Platan" with device to lay minefields carry around 20 mines introduced in 1985 used until 1995

Mi-2D "Przełącznik" for carry HQ with radio devices and space for maps around 25 build since 1974 used until 2000

Mi-2RO (Rozpoznania Ogólnego) for general observation duties with aerial photo also since 1974 first armed only in PK guns in windows since 1977 also build in variant 23mm NS & 2x PK in windows.

Mi-2RM sea rescue unarmed variant & Mi-2RL inland rescue also without weapons but with search light 10 build since 1975

Mi-2RS "Padalec" with specialised equipment to detect atomic radiation levels on battlefield since 1978 letter added also device WDZ-80

Mi-2CH "Hekla with device to WDZ-80 for building a smoke cover for units in 1980 all helicopters Hekla & Padalec were equipped in smoke generators

Mi-2B build for Libya in 1979-80 with western King avionics and communication equipment. 40 build and used as armed version in Libya.

Mi-2 Plus improved engine & western avionics modernisation since 2000 in Poland used only by civilian users.

And here most famous Mi-2 in civilian version which comes to classic 007 story and played in "For your eyes only" Story of the pilot and machine witch English subtitles
https://youtu.be/BtNIvC92AyE

[blazejos]

Don can you also add to Philippine OOB polish

PZL W-3A Sokół

They have 8 and they can carry 2x M60 machine gun in doors on both sides one from each side. Except that they are unarmed and they have them since 2012/2013 exactly since February 2012 according to this article https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...elicopters.htm I have no exactly icon but one of polish green one can be used



And video where is possible to see how MG is installed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td1GzqZbj3s

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Lz3-xDfpy...49996326_n.jpg

Czech has also 11 and in icons list is even as special icon in Czech variant camo which is not used in Czech OOB. They have now 10 of them and they are unarmed They buy them in 1995 in exchange for their Mig-29

here photo in Czech painting
https://www.altair.com.pl/files/news...1-159sokol.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Air_Forces.jpg

Third airforce is Myanmar
has 13 in variant PZL W-3 Sokół unarmed transport version since 1991
here photos in their airforce https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/construction-number/310404

And last military operator is Algeria 8 helicopters since 2012 acording to this source https://www.helis.com/database/model...-3/%20?filc=DZ Variant W-3A transport version so probably MG is what is installed like in Philippine version.
Photos of Algerian Desert variant of Sokół https://www.airplane-pictures.net/ph...pzl-w-3-sokol/

here list of users https://www.helis.com/database/model...-3/%20?filc=DZ

And official list of repairs in their helicopters in different airforces by PZL Świdnik https://www.pzlswidnik.pl/en/wsparci...cje-techniczne