company of heroes

[militarist]

Why 8%? Is it some real number of succubus seduction success rate?

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

jeff, there is no difference between charming/enslaving them in a fight, and seducing.

Sure, if you want to spend 5 guys at 8% = 6 turns turns per guy = 30 turns, and the slaves and gems for 29 succubi plus gear, yes, you can do it.

But any game you can afford to do that is a game you've already won and are just playing around.

Most of the time, there are only two of this crew that people care about - the archer (for his fire order) and bogarus.

These are the two that are easiest to charm in a fight - as they both come charging forward, and have high hitpoints. So they will naturally be targetted by charms etc.

[chrispedersen]

its approximately right. There is no single right answer.
It depends on what unit is doing the seducing, what the mr of the victim is.

but the probability comes from the probability table at the front of the book. Compare the seduction value of the unit (in cbm) vs the mr of the victim.

[militarist]

it looks like the 2 main differences between hellbind and seduce - when you seduce you also have to go through moral check, and the second one - succubus has seduction 11(if wiki is right), which is better then usual spellcasting 10 check,but still doesn't compensate moral check.
As for amount of hellbinds with no penetration items, very simplified mathematics is 3-4 casts for MR 12 targets, 6 for MR 15 targets and 10 for MR 16 targets.

[chrispedersen]

yes, although the best way to accomplish this would be something like...

4 or more communion slaves, sabbath master with void eye, spell focus, and runesmasher.

so for the very small cost of 13 gems, after the communion and hellpower you'd be sitting at +8 penetration.

S.Master, Hellpower, Reinvig, Hellbindx2
Or hell, skip the reinvig and just script Smaster, helpower, hbhx3.

[militarist]

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

yes, although the best way to accomplish this would be something like...

4 or more communion slaves, sabbath master with void eye, spell focus, and runesmasher.

so for the very small cost of 13 gems, after the communion and hellpower you'd be sitting at +8 penetration.

S.Master, Hellpower, Reinvig, Hellbindx2
Or hell, skip the reinvig and just script Smaster, helpower, hbhx3.

Second master can cast reinvig.