reverse communion slave orders

[militarist]

I'm doing my first communion..reverse communion this time.And it's in MP. I've read,of course all guides. unfortunately I found nowere examples with orders.

Do I undertsand properly, that if one of masters have orders

communion master,PoS,flee

then slave should have

communion slave, hold, cast spell?

And one more question. If slave is higher in the list then master, can he cast spell? and if can - is he still counted as a slave for the purpose of buffs casted by master and takes his share of fatigue?

[thejeff]

You understand correctly.

Communion slaves will not cast if a master has already cast that turn. Any slaves who acted first still get the benefit of buffs and absorbs the master's fatigue.
So if you can arrange your master to be last on the list, there is no need for him to retreat.

[militarist]

From communion guide: "The masters are boosted in all paths which they already have, while the slaves are boosted in all paths whether they have them or not. "

Does in mean that in reverse communion my mages will be able to use types of magic which they never had before? Or "in all paths" means only for the purpose of slave-casting, only for the calculation of fatigue loss when masters cast?

[Maerlande]

Your second statement is correct militarist. They can only cast spells of the paths they had before. But they do get boosted for fatigue.

Here's a typical reverse:

Yogi S1: Communion Slave, body ethereal, Soul Slay, SS, SS, Cast
Yogi: same
Yogi: same
Yogi: same
Yogi: Same
Yogi: same
Yogi: same
Yogi: same
Yogi (M): Communion master, PotS, personal luck, resist magic, SS, cast
Yogi (M): Communion master, LotNS, astral shield, SS,SS, cast

8 slaves: Each master is now +3 S. PotS gives all slaves +1. LotNS gives all slaves +1. Remember to give each master one pearl.

This communion can cast all day.

For real fun add slaves and a master with another path. Say ES. Then you add invulnerability. Or nature and add resist poison, elemental fortitude, and so on.

And for even more fun use one blood master.

B1 master: Sabbath master, buff, buff, buff, reinvigorate
This sets all slaves to zero fatigue.

You can also give the masters bows:
Master, PotS, buff, buff, buff, fire
This allows about 1 master for 3 slaves or so.

[militarist]

Sorry,not clear about bow. Why? Just not to overload slaves by fatigue?

[Quitti]

Correct, firing bow gives zero or neglible fatigue, and it allows the master to stay in the battlefield and even have some use without retreating, and it allows you to keep the master in the same prov after the fight, unlike retreating. All this while having your slaves spamming soul slay or something similar without any hinderance from your master.

[Jarkko]

Originally Posted by Maerlande

B1 master: Sabbath master, buff, buff, buff, reinvigorate
This sets all slaves to zero fatigue.

Not quite true. It removes all other fatigue, except the fatigue caused by casting Reinvigorate. Usually no problem, but if you have for example 4 astral slaves (with no Blood) and 1 blood master, the slaves will end up with (100/4)x2=50 fatigue each (Reinvigoration causes 100 fatigue, split four ways for the slaves and then doubled for being one short of B1).

[Maerlande]

Good correction Jarkko. I've only used it with one blood master and many many slaves so I didn't even check the fatigue.

[chrispedersen]

Originally Posted by Maerlande

And for even more fun use one blood master.

B1 master: Sabbath master, buff, buff, buff, reinvigorate
This sets all slaves to zero fatigue.

No it does not. The reduction in fatigue for a slave has less than b3 is minimal. Try it.

Oops: Ninja'd.

[aaminoff]

I have been meaning to ask about this, in the context of Blood Sabbaths.

So if you are a B1 mage, Sabbath Slave costs 100 fatigue. Sabbath Master costs 100 fatigue likewise. So that implies that if you do

slave - S slave
...
master - Sabbath master

and they are all B1 mages, everyone will end the turn asleep at 100+casting fatigue?

Well, thats no good. How about if I forge a communion master matrix, give it to the last guy.

slave
...
master - reinvigorate

The master, already being in the communion, will thus flush everyones' fatigue.

Alternatively, if I have (or can empower/boost) a mage at the beginning of the list to B2, then:

master B2 - S. Master, reinvig
slave B1 - S. slave, do something cool

I guess this would only be useful for a reverse communion where the slaves don't want to cast spells on turn 2, or can hold for a turn before running off.

My question is basically, are we certain that spells take effect at the instant they are cast? There isn't some sort of post-casting fatigue reconciliation phase and the effect of reinvig does not happen till then?