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September 17th, 2008, 11:22 AM
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Re: Death by Dominion
Doubt? Nah. They give additional temple checks. And value of that checks depends on starting dominion, not current one [that includes additional levels every 5 temples].
Doubts can come when it comes to:
- does preaching have any effect even if dominion is way above priest level
- do multiple preachers in one province have bigger effect than 1 preacher
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September 17th, 2008, 12:37 PM
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Re: Death by Dominion
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Preaching only works up to a max of Holy level or Holy*2 if there is a temple, and you'll get a message to that effect when you start preaching in a province with higher dominion.
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Holy+1, not *2, according to the manual.
Note that the Preach order doesn't clear after the province's dominion maxes out.
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You wouldn't want it to--the enemy might be pressing dominion on you
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September 17th, 2008, 12:38 PM
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Re: Death by Dominion
No real doubt there.
Preaching has no effect when dominion is above priest level(+1). Depending on the exact order of turn processing, it may still be useful to counter other things that might drop dominion during a turn, events, enemy stealth preachers or heretics or items, enemy temple check influence.
Multiple preachers generate separate checks and thus have more influence than a single one. (OK, I'm only about 95% sure of that one.)
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September 17th, 2008, 12:41 PM
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Re: Death by Dominion
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Originally Posted by Loren
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Originally Posted by capnq
Note that the Preach order doesn't clear after the province's dominion maxes out.
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You wouldn't want it to--the enemy might be pressing dominion on you
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Hard to say. I would want to be able to preach again, but it might be nice to have them preach one turn then go back to defend if dominion was above priest level(+1). It's easy to not notice for several that your priests are happily preaching away for no effect.
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September 17th, 2008, 04:35 PM
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Re: Death by Dominion
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Originally Posted by thejeff
Multiple preachers generate separate checks and thus have more influence than a single one. (OK, I'm only about 95% sure of that one.)
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Oh multiple priests certainly works. Often if I have Gift of Health up, and my army gets really banged up, I will stop for a turn and Preach. If I'm playing a nation with a lot of mage-priests that go as caster support, then I've seen a dominion shift of 10-12 points in one turn plenty of times.
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September 17th, 2008, 08:02 PM
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Re: Death by Dominion
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Originally Posted by thejeff
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Originally Posted by Loren
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Note that the Preach order doesn't clear after the province's dominion maxes out.
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You wouldn't want it to--the enemy might be pressing dominion on you
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Hard to say. I would want to be able to preach again, but it might be nice to have them preach one turn then go back to defend if dominion was above priest level(+1). It's easy to not notice for several that your priests are happily preaching away for no effect.
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Maybe there should be two orders--preach until max and continue preaching.
I'd like to see the developers spend some time reducing the micro-management needed.
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September 18th, 2008, 02:00 AM
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Re: Death by Dominion
I am all for lessening the micromanagement but how is defend better than preach? Doesn't everything (unless in a Fortress) just defend if the province is attacked unless it's been given a specific order that stops them? I mean mages in a lab defend if the province is attacked don't they? Don't blood hunters 'defend' too and Patrollers? So what is the benefit of not preaching even if its not useful that turn?
Unless your stealthy but then your default would not be defend anyway.
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September 18th, 2008, 04:09 AM
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Re: Death by Dominion
The benefit is that when you sweep for commanders without orders, using the 'n' key, the preachers who have maxed out a province will be highlighted. Then you automatically know they are ready to be moved, or used in some other way, other than sitting there doing absolutely nothing. :P
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