Bug with RingWorlds/Sphereworlds?

Cyrien · #1 November 2nd, 2001, 05:12 PM

If you create a ring world or sphere world in your system then try and turn an asteroid into a planet it says there is no star present. If you then attempt to create a star it says that you can't create a star when there is one with a construction around it already preset. Seems to me that something here needs to give. I actually remember this from an older Version of the game but then you could still just create a new star and then make the planet... and then another ring/sphere world.

So seems this was corrected but the planet creation wasn't updated to recognize it.

Suicide Junkie · #2 November 2nd, 2001, 05:45 PM

It has been this way for a long time. You've gotta build the planets before putting up the Dyson Sphere.

IMO, you should still be able to (re)form planets with a ring or sphere covering your star, since you could leave "windows" in your construct for the planets outside.

Actually building the sphere would realistically require the use of all the planets in the system, but since the planets stay in SE4, not being able to reform them is the price you pay.

PvK · #3 November 6th, 2001, 12:45 AM

Hmm, shouldn't a ringworld allow planets to be heated by the star, while a sphereworld should more or less ruin all the inhabited planet environments (all become deadly) and their organic resource value?

This would be a reason to build ringworlds rather than sphereworlds.

As for a sphereworld with "windows" - the windows would have to be able to move independantly to track each world.

Maybe suns should only be creatable in sectors with dead suns or system-wide nebulae, and perhaps doing so in a nebula system should create/reveal a few asteroid fields as well. Destroyed black holes could create system nebulae or dead sun plus asteroids. This would make for a kind of cycle effect, where systems could be changed from one type to another and back again.

PvK

Baron Munchausen · #4 November 6th, 2001, 01:12 AM

Sure, building a ringworld or sphereworld should affect the planets in the system. You should have to destroy them before you build either! These structures are actually quite fragile and any planets or any extra mass in the system at all would make them very unstable and prone to breaking up. The current method of constructing them is a sort of 'quick fix' way to cram a much wanted feature into the game. If it were done properly you'd have to destroy all the planets in the system and then the asteroids would be 'used up' in building the structure. Then, there would be a new background image. Neither a ringworld nor sphereworld would fit in a single sector! They could be really, really cool images, though. A ringworld or sphereworld should be 6 sectors across or more.

chewy027 · #5 November 6th, 2001, 01:14 AM

I agree pvk. Destroying a black hole or nebulae should reveal some asteroids at least. Then the systems could be salvaged for habitation.

Slaughtermeyer · #6 November 6th, 2001, 07:06 AM

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A ringworld or sphereworld should be 6 sectors across or more.[/b]

I've seen 3 sphereworlds in the same sector(!) but it's possible the map editor might have been used to create this effect.

Lemmy · #7 November 6th, 2001, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by Slaughtermeyer:
I've seen 3 sphereworlds in the same sector(!) but it's possible the map editor might have been used to create this effect.

this is easy, there are trinary star systems in the game, there are about two or three per map, and each of these system have three stars. In my Last game i started right next to one of them and decided to build a sphereworld around each and every one of them, it took a long time because i started with low tech.

Suicide Junkie · #8 November 6th, 2001, 03:54 PM

For the Spheres to be in the same sector, it would be a map editor thing. If the three are just in the same starsystem, that can occur during a (unmodded) random map generation.

Lemmy · #9 November 7th, 2001, 03:30 PM

oooh, sector not system, that's what the "!" is for....

Cyrien · #10 November 7th, 2001, 11:54 PM

You could get all three in the same sector in earlier Versions... not sure which ones but I remember doing it. Back when you could ringworld or sphereworld a star and then make a new star. Just make it on top of the sphereworld/ringworld and then build a new ringworld/sphere world... etc until you get bored of it.

I never actually made three on top of each other.... just two.

Then a star so all that solar based stuff still worked. Like planet creation, though since I don't see the planets orbiting anything wouldn't it be possible to make a planet without a star?