Empire creation->Tolerance ?

[BBegemott]

Asmala writes:
I made some tests with happiness and ER and I noticed that ER didn't affect to happiness. If you don't believe me I can give some numbers so you can test it yourself.

Imperator Fyron writes:
5 points of ER = 1 point of Reproduction + 1 point of Happiness.

It is a contradiction, isn't it? So what's the truth, after all? Any numbers are welcome.

[Fyron]

Happiness trait does not have much off an effect anyways. But ER definitely does affect happiness.

[Asmala]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Happiness trait does not have much off an effect anyways. But ER definitely does affect happiness.

Here is how many turns it took different kind of empires to go from happy to indifferent. This indicates that ER doesn't affect to happiness. You can test this yourself you get those numbers.

Happiness 50% ER 100% 2 turns to indifferent
Happiness 51% ER 100% 3 turns to indifferent
Happiness 50% ER 150% 2 turns to indifferent
Happiness 51% ER 50% 3 turns to indifferent

When happiness is 50%:
20 (natural increase) + 10 (# of five percents) * 1 (see FAQ how happiness works) = 30 = 3%/turn.
25% people are angry at the start, 25% + 2 * 3%= 31% => mood indifferent

When happiness is 51%:
20 (natural increase) + 9 (# of five percents) * 1 (see FAQ how happiness works) = 29 = 2%/turn (round down).
25% people are angry at the start, 25% + 3 * 2%= 31% => mood indifferent

I'm certain about these number but if you don't believe ask and I can prove all.

[Fyron]

If you are correct, then ER 50 translates to 10 happiness points, which becomes 2 # of 5 percents. So, its effect is underscored by having 50% happiness.

[Asmala]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
If you are correct, then ER 50 translates to 10 happiness points, which becomes 2 # of 5 percents. So, its effect is underscored by having 50% happiness.

What do you mean? If ER 50 == 10 happiness points
then:

Happiness 50% ER 150% == Happiness 60% ER 100%

Happiness 51% ER 100% 3 turns to indifferent
then why
Happiness 60% ER 100% 2 turns to indifferent?

[Fyron]

Yes, that is about what I meant.

[Asmala]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Yes, that is about what I meant.

So you finally believe ER doesn't affect Happiness? Or do you have some arguments why it would affect?

[Fyron]

Umm... reread my post. I still am certain that ER affects happiness. But, it gets overshadowed by other modifiers because it is a small effect.

[Asmala]

If ER affects to happiness it's a very little effect. +50% ER raises Happiness <1% so it's insignificant.