China OOB21 and OOB14 v.11

[Pibwl]

Two years ago I haven't researched Chinese artillery.

I mostly used this quite reliably-looking and exhaustive list of Chinese guns https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/theo...-t352-s10.html
Of course, if a gun is not listed there, it is not a definitive proof, but at least it's some hint, that its Chinese use is obscure and it wasn't popular.

Remarks concern Nationalist Chinese OOB21 (and communist OOB14 where indicated).

AT-guns - Japanese

16 37L46 AT-Gun - Type 1 towed AT gun was L/50 (it's been confused here with shorter Type 1 tank gun). It should use Type 1 L/50 weapon with pen=6 (weapon #12 in Japanese OOB)
A standard icon is 8035
(same for OOB14)

Units 271 - Shanghai M.31 and 272 - Armrd Truck /Gn should use worse gun, with max penetration 4 (like Japanese tank gun Type 94)

45 37L36 AT-Gun - Type 94 towed AT gun was L/46 (it's been confused here with Type 94 tank gun). It should use Type 94 L/46 weapon with pen=5 (weapon #11 in Japanese OOB).
A standard icon is 8035 (the same for both 37mm guns; a difference in barrel length was marginal)
(same for OOB14)

49 37L36 AT-Gun - the weapon is "Type 98" gun, but there wasn't such Japanese towed AT gun, only improved tank gun. In Japanese OOB there's no such towed gun (and no towed 37 mm gun with such great "sabot" ammo either).
(same for OOB14, besides it has French photo - should be 17037)

AT-guns - other

19 45L46 AT-Gun - just for a sake of consistency, a standard icon is 8022 (same for OOB14)
They were delivered by the Soviets already in late 30s (along with T-26) (now: 1/44)
(same for OOB14 - I don't know when communists acquired them)

20 76.2L51 AT-Gun - it's rather improbable, that the Soviets would deliver in 1945 pre-war obr.1936 (F-22 L/51) guns (largely lost in 1941) - most probable would be standard ZiS-3 obr.1942 (like Soviet unit 281)
However, I don't know if the Soviets delivered any own weapons to China as soon as in 1945-46, even to communists.

There is a book https://books.google.pl/books?id=oZn...0china&f=false - unfortunately it can't be read in interesting parts, but chapter on p.23 is entitled "No Soviet Weapons for Chinese Comrades"

44 20L60 AT-Gun - new icon for 20mm Madsen is 8020 (same for OOB14)
However, according to https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/theo...-t352-s10.html , Madsens were only AA guns.

It would leave a gap in early AT guns, but apparently China had none at that time. Maybe some infantry gun should be copied.
(same for OOB14)

46 37mm AT-Gun - I don't know if the Germans delivered some L/40 guns from 1930, but in German OOB L/40 gun TaK30 (weapon #12) has penetration=5 (here 4)
Name is inconsistent with the others.
(same for OOB14)

However, according to https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/theo...-t352-s10.html they were just typical 3.7cm PaK 35/36, supplied to China between 1936 and 1938.
(same for OOB14)

47 45L66 AT-Gun - photo is short-barrel, should be 29366 and icon 8023 (if the Soviet Union delivered weapons to China in 1946)
(same for OOB14)

50 57L73 AT-Gun - there is a doubt if they were delivered in 1945
(same for OOB14 - besides icon should be 8024)

57 47L32 AT-Gun - standard icon is 8029. Photo is improved Mod.39, it should rather be Mod.35 - picture 475
(same for OOB14)

62 37mm AT-Gun - US M3 AT gun has penetration 6 (here 4). Would they deliver them with older ammo? M74 shot seems to penetrate 5 anyway (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/37_mm_Gun_M3 - roughly similar to 37mm Bofors and Pak, probably better than Japanese Type 94, which has 5 as well)



Artillery

92 75 mm pack howitzer (pack how.) - it also could be duplicated as ordinary field howitzer: "The U.S. Lend Lease program supplied 637 of these howitzers to China from 1942, and it quickly became the most common artillery piece in use by Nationalist Chinese forces.". (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/theo...-t352-s10.html) They could be available earlier (now 1/43)

Icon could be changed to single-trail US 2111 (the Chinese also received 125 howitzers with split trail, but five times more with standard single-trail).

122 75mm PH Battery
- it's on-map with range 192

93 75mm M.1897 FG, 123 Bty - possibly it should be available longer (now 11/37)
(same for OOB14)

94 76.2mm Howitzer - same remarks as #20 AT gun - improbable that Soviet obr.36 were delivered.

95 75mm Tp 90 FG, 124 Bty - According to https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/theo...-t352-s10.html, more popular were obviously captured older Type 38 guns.
(same for OOB14)

96 76mm Howitzer, 125 Bty - photo is apparently 105 mm leFH-18. Proper photo for obr.02 gun is 8799.
Range is much too big; the Soviet obr.02/30 gun has 203 (here 208).
(same for OOB14 - besides icon should be 2112)

97 80mm Skoda FG, 126 Bty - not mentioned on the quoted page - it seems that they weren't popular much for a gun that lasts from 1/30 to 44. And range 208 is sure much too big.
There is only a mention about similar 75mm Skoda M-1911, but apparently 24 only were delivered.
(same for OOB14)

Instead, it shows, that 75mm Krupp gun (or its Italian version) was more popular. Dutch 75mm 7-veld could be used.

77 mm FK-16 guns were also used (data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.7_cm_FK_16)

(Unit 94 could be also replaced.)

98 100mm Howitzer - there are no 100mm Howitzers on the quoted page at all. There could be 105mm leFH-16 from 1/30, eg. Romanian unit 139.
(same for OOB14)

A small number of 105mm leFH-18 were also probably delivered - "It has been reported that China took delivery of 48 of these guns during the German advisory period ca. 1936-1938."

Captured Japanese 105mm Type 91 were used from mid-thirties(?) and in bigger numbers from 1945 (Japanese unit 54)

99 105mm Howitzer - US M2A1, delivered already "from ca. 1943." (now 1/45)

100 120mm Howitzer - "M.1890" (I don't know what it is), not mentioned on the quoted page. Range 207 is too big for a howitzer. It seems, that China used first of all export Krupp 120 mm howitzer, but no doubt its range was on-map (specs are apparently similar to Dutch 12 l 12 http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...-mm-and-150-mm). Photo could stay, I don't know what is this.
(same for OOB14)

101 122mm Howitzer - according to https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/theo...-t352-s10.html "small quantity" of obr.10/30 howitzers were probably delivered in late 1930s (now: 1/45). It's improbable, that the Soviets would deliver old howitzers in 1945

122mm obr.10/30 should be on-map weapon, with range 178 (Soviet weapon #74), picture 23182 and icon 2115.

116 114mm Field Gun, 119 Bty - the quoted page doesn't mention such state-of-art British long range guns. There is only WWI 114 mm BL 4.5 inch howitzer Mk. I

129,130 120mm, 122mm Battery - as above (on-map weapon).