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Question Multi OoB Mortar Discrepancies

Whilst tinkering with a fantasy OoB I started to notice some quite large discrepancies between the stats for the French (originally) 120mm Rifled mortar - French 120mm MO-120 RT-61. This is used by about 15 real life militaries (including Belgium, Brazil, Djibouti, Colombia, Cyprus, France, India, Italy, Japan, Jordan, Netherlands, Tunisia, Turkey and the USMC) and appears in around 10 of our OOBs.

5.Japan #42 Type 93 Acc: 5 HE P: 2 HEK: 15 AP P: 0 APK: 0 Min: 12 Max: 203

6.France #43 MO-120 RT F1 Acc: 5 HE P: 2 HEK: 15 AP P: 0 APK: 0 Min: 12 Max: 164

13.USMC #42 M327 Acc: 6 HE P: 2 HEK: 19 AP P: 10 APK: 21 Min: 3 Max: 164

16.Gulf #240 120mm RT Acc: 3 HE P: 2 HEK: 19 AP P: 0 APK: 0 Min: 12 Max: 203

27.Belgium #44 MO-120-RT Acc: 3 HE P: 2 HEK: 19 AP P: 0 APK: 0 Min: 4 Max: 144

28.Dutch #42 Brandt 120mm Acc: 3 HE P: 2 HEK: 19 AP P: 0 APK: 0 Min: 9 Max: 123

32.Turkey #47 Tosam HY12 D1 Acc: 3 HE P: 1 HEK: 19 AP P: 0 APK: 0 Min: 12 Max: 203

34.Italy #129 MO120 RT F1 Acc: 3 HE P: 2 HEK: 19 AP P: 0 APK: 0 Min: 10 Max: 205

47.Cyprus #42 120mm RT Acc: 3 HE P: 2 HEK: 15 AP P: 0 APK: 0 Min: 12 Max: 203

64.Saudi #240 120mm RT Acc: 3 HE P: 2 HEK: 19 AP P: 0 APK: 0 Min: 12 Max: 203

and possibly:
54.Thailand #52 Brandt 120mm Acc: 3 HE P: 2 HEK: 19 AP P: 0 APK: 0 Min: 9 Max: 123

As I understand it these are all the same weapon (or licensed copies), using standard NATO ammunition. It has a published max range of 8140m (163 hexes) or 12850m (O/M 203 Hexes) [17km some sources (O/M 207 Hexes)] with HE-RA rounds. The only figure I could find for min range quoted 1100m (22 hexes)!!! This seems long... The accuracy of a muzzle loading mortar is standardised (ish) at 3 in the game, perhaps this should get a 5 due to the rifling?

Might I suggest Acc: 5 HE P: 2 HEK: 19 AP P: 0 APK: 0 Min: 12 Max: 163 - for standard HE,
and Acc: 5 HE P: 2 HEK: 19 AP P: 0 APK: 0 Min: 12 Max: 203 - for the RA round?

Whilst it wouldn't surprise me that the USMC has created it's own Cluster rounds, I couldn't find any details of them (perhaps Suhiir can illuminate us?)

The USMC are developing the PERM (Precision Extended Range Munition), based on the Israeli Dagger mortar round. The stat line for that, however, again seems out of kilter:

13.USMC #48 M327 PERM Acc: 25 HE P: 2 HEK: 19 AP P: 10 APK: 21 Min: 10 Max: 207
Compared to similar Israeli Dagger and Finish STRIX systems:
IMI Smart #74 Acc: 6 HE P: 2 HEK: 19 AP P: 7 APK: 21 Min: 0 Range: 164
IMI Smart RA #76 Acc: 6 HE P: 2 HEK: 19 AP P: 7 APK: 21 Min: 0 Range: 210
STRIX Fin #31 Acc: 10 HE P: 2 HEK: 19 AP P: 7 APK: 21 Min: 20 Range: 200

Is it really THAT much better? - or is the dagger not depicted in the israel OoB?
(ps Israel IMI 120mm mortars still need a min range!)

Hope this helps!

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