Attacking provinces by proxy

[Gurthang]

Is there any way to 'encourage' indipendents (barbarians, troglodytes or even Bogus and his henchmen) to attack an enemy province?

[Admiral_Aorta]

There are a couple of remote attack spells like ghost riders where they aren't under your control, but they disappear after the attack even if they win leaving an empty province. You can't make those random attack events happen.

[bbz]

Not in the conventional way. What you can do(although I don't recommend, it its acually quite a bad idea unless you have loads of fortune tellers) but for the sake of the question you ask is to have misfortune 3 and spread your dominion over his lands. Only negative scales work from enemy dominion so he will feel it if you spread your dominion over his lands and will get those evenents still its not like you are enforcing it. Also there are some spells that increase misfortune in the targeted province which might eventually lead to an attack, but I generally feel they are waste of mage time and gems.

But yea you are better off with what Admira_Aorta said. Just send horrors or use remote attack spells.

[Gandalf Parker]

In a scenario game where the AI or the Independents have an AI like a computer player would get, then they can be given a "goal" on the map they will work toward. Its not done very often. Its a lot of work to setup so it tends to only be done on big multiplayer games

[Corinthian]

If you want plausible deniability then there is always "send dream horror" spell. It can actually happen as a bad event in provinces with high magic scales. Though not every player knows of that so they will probably suspect you anyhow.

[Soyweiser]

There are a few more remote spells that could also happen as a bad event. Problem is of course, that as soon as you start spamming those your plausible deniability goes away.

[Doo]

Originally Posted by bbz

Not in the conventional way. What you can do(although I don't recommend, it its acually quite a bad idea unless you have loads of fortune tellers) but for the sake of the question you ask is to have misfortune 3 and spread your dominion over his lands. Only negative scales work from enemy dominion so he will feel it if you spread your dominion over his lands and will get those evenents still its not like you are enforcing it.

I thought that it doesn't work this way.

To make what you describe happen I'm pretty sure you take Luck-3 and spread your dominion into their lands and they experience it as Misfortune-3.

Thematically because what is misfortune for them is lucky for you.

Doing a search I found this.

However Baalz in the thread says that spreading your Luck-3 into their lands doesn't give them the worst events of Misfortune-3, and to do that you need to take Misfortune-3 scales as you suggest to give them the worst events, this I didn't know.

So if Baalz is correct you can influence bad events in enemy lands in either of the two ways, but only inflict the real bad events by taking Misfortune-3 and risking those same bad events yourself, or take Luck-3 and inflict the worst events that Luck-3 gives. Perhaps you might take Misfortune-2 and spread that? Or as somebody in the thread suggests and use fortune tellers to protect yourself.

[bbz]

I wasnt suggesting it for real, since I didn't know why did he need to send barbarians.Also I never said it would be optimal, I just said that you might be able to pull something like that if you have loads of fortune tellers-hence no frear from misortune scale. Regarding Misfortune/Luck I was pretty sure negative scales work while positive don't, thats why Luck 3 in enemies' lands (with your dominion) counts as luck/misfortune 0. hence some of the bad events. The only scale that works I think is the growth from the growth scale.

But to be 100% sure I have to make some tests and I cba atm.

[Soyweiser]

I think in enemy lands both luck and misf count as misf. But, do indies count as enemies or friendly lands for unlucky events? Nobody knows (at least I don't).

[dojango]

there are ways of increasing the misfortune scales in an enemy province. Rain of toads, baleful star (I think?) and of course, Bogarus's Lilkho.