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[dmnt]

Just encountered this completely at random and I'm uncertain whether it has any effect on the gaming itself:

Finnish OOB (#65)
Weapon #21
.50 Tkiv 2000 (Sniper Rifle) has a weapon class 3 (Team Weapon), all other sniper rifles are in class 1 (Inf primary weapon)

[dmnt]

Finnish OOB unit #310 PzJaeger Sec
Available Until 1/120, should be 12/120, unless edits from another thread about the reformation in 2015 are applied.

[Richard_H]

Originally Posted by dmnt

Finnish OOB (#65)
Weapon #21
.50 Tkiv 2000 (Sniper Rifle) has a weapon class 3 (Team Weapon), all other sniper rifles are in class 1 (Inf primary weapon)

It's not unique; Malaysia, Poland and the Netherlands have something similar. Depends on the oob designer, I suspect.

Richard H

[Richard_H]

SP ATGM

Class 19 – SP ATGM

AT-1 Shmel – Cuba 96 has RoF 3, standard is 4.

TOW – Netherlands 51 & 52 have RoF 9, standard is 4.

BOV-1 – Angola 297 has Steel TF Armour 2, all others have 3.

BRDM-1 – Egypt 350 and Algeria 336 have Speed 29, all others have 27.

BRDM-2 – Egypt 351 and Algeria 337 have Speed 36 and Swim Speed 2, all others have 32 and 3.
Iraq 226 & 227, Cuba 98 & 99, Angola 295, Nicaragua 470 and Tanzania 295 have Size 2, all others have 3.

GAZ-69 – Egypt 345 and Algeria 335 have Speed 20, standard is 24.

Land Rover – Denmark 37-39 have Speed 21, standard is 24.

HMMWV – Greece 56 & 57 have Survivability 0, standard for armoured versions is 2.

Jeep – Jordan 275 & 277, Gulf 203 and Denmark 35 & 36 have Speed 21, standard is 24.
Gulf 203 & 204 and Saudi 205 have Hand Grenades as Weapon 2.

M113 – Belgium 30 has Survivability 3, all others have 4.

M150 – Iran 531 and Turkey 56 & 57 have Speed 18, Greece 67 & 68 have 21, standard is 23.

M901 – Sizes are mixed. Jordan 281, USA 28, Iraq 229 & 604, Greece 69 & 70 and Thailand 42 have 3, leaving a narrow majority with 2.
Jordan 281 and Pakistan 195 have Speed 18, standard is 23.


Class 52 – Wheeled SP ATGM

HOT – Hungary 418 has RoF 6, standard is 4.

Milan – Italy 56 has RoF 9, standard is 4.

AT-3 Malyutka (and derivatives) – N.Korea 33 & 34 and Cambodia 525 have RoF 9, standard is 4.

AT-5 Konkurs – Poland 34 & 553, Iraq 261, Czech 34 and Slovakia 29 have RoF 6, standard is 4.

TOW – Italy 57 and Portugal 353 have RoF 9, Portugal 351 has 5, standard is 4.

BRDM-2 – Iraq 260 & 261, N.Korea 33 & 34 and Cambodia 525 are Size 2, all others are 3.

GAZ-69/UAZ-69 – Egypt 235 has Speed 21, standard is 24.
Poland 433 & 434, E.Germany 29, Czech 433 & 434 and Hungary 433 & 434 have Swim Speed 3, standard is 0.
Sudan 205 is the only ATGM-armed vehicle to have FC and Rangefinder.
Poland 433 & 434 and Sudan 205 are the only armoured versions.

HMMWV – Poland 77 is the only unit with a Lift Capacity.


Class 129 – Light SP ATGM

Sweden 198 & 199 have Load Cost 0.


Cobra – Chile 480 has RoF 9, standard is 4.

Mamba – Argentina 580 has RoF 9, standard is 4.

Milan – Italy 48 has RoF 6, France 464 & 655 have 9, standard is 4.

AT-2 Falanga – Red 503 has RoF 6, standard is 4.

AT-3 Malyutka – Red 504 & 505 and Eritrea 295 have RoF 9, standard is 4 (6 for Russian units).

AT-5 Konkurs – Red 507 has RoF 9, standard is 4 (5 for Russian units).

TOW – Norway 37 has RoF 9, standard is 4.


EE-3 Jaracara – Cyprus 26 has Top Armour 2, Brazil 444 & 445 have 1. Standard for the EE-3 is 2.

VAB VCAC – France 464 & 655 have Crew 8 & Speed 30, Cyprus 24 & 25 have 4 & 33. According to Janes, the French figures are correct.

BRDM-1 – Russia 380-382 are Size 2, all others are 3.
Red 502 has Speed 29, all others have 27.

BRDM-2 – Russia 630-632 have Steel HF 2, all other Russian versions have 3.

Jeep – Jordan 214 & 215 and India 465-468 have Speed 21, Chile 480 has 26, standard is 24.

M966 HMMWV – Nicaragua 260 is the only armoured version. If it is armoured, strictly speaking it’s a M1045. But it’s cosmetic.

Richard H

[Richard_H]

Anti-Tank Guns

Class 6 – Anti-Tank Gun

25mm SA34 – Syria 520 has RoF 9, Spain 347 has 8. Standard in WW2 appears to be 9.

3.7cm PaK 36 – Israel 160 has Crew 6 and Load Cost 2, standard is 5/1.

37mm M5 – Argentina 215, Ecuador 215, Uruguay 140 and Paraguay 108 have Crew 4, standard is 5.
Ecuador 215 has Load Cost 3, all others have 1.

37mm Type 1 – N.Korea 475, ARVN 585, Cambodia 475 and Viet Cong 74 have Size 1, standard for 37mm is 0.
N.Korea 475 and Cambodia 475 have Crew 5 and Load Cost 1, standard is 6/2.
N.Korea 475 has Speed 1, standard is 2.

2-pdr – Jordan 70, Iraq 230 and Libya 255 have Crew 5, Mujahadeen 255, Afghanistan 255, Ethiopia 255 and Lebanon 320 have 6, standard is 4.
Greece 295, Libya 255, Ethiopia 255 and Lebanon 320 have Speed 2, Tanzania 340 has 0, standard is 3.
Mujahadeen 255, Afghanistan 255, Libya 255, Ethiopia 255 and Lebanon 320 have Load Cost 2, standard is 1.

45mm M1942 – N.Korea 476 has Speed 1, Mujahadeen 258, Afghanistan 259 and N.Yemen 343 have 3, standard is 2.

47mm Breda – Greece 297, Spain 351, Libya 257, Brazil 216 and Chile 216 have Crew 5, a small majority have 6.
Italy 113 and Argentina 216 have Speed 1, Brazil 216, Chile 216 and Eritrea 343 have 2, standard is 3.
Spain 351, Brazil 216 and Chile 216 have Load Cost 1, standard is 2.

47mm Schneider – Syria 521 and Lebanon 322 have Speed 1, standard is 2.

5cm PaK 38 – Finland has Size 1 and Speed 1, standard is 0/2.
Romania 300 and Bulgaria 312 have Load Cost 2, standard is 1.

57mm ZiS-2 (and derivatives) – Egypt 261, Syria 522, Romania 339, Eritrea 344 and Bulgaria 315 & 316 have Size 1, standard is 0.
Egypt 261, Poland 78 & 81 and Libya 258 have Crew 5, standard is 6.
Poland 78, Syria 523, Mujahadeen 259 & 260, Afghanistan 260, E.Germany 80, Romania 304, Algeria 183, Indonesia 165, S.Yemen 341, N.Yemen 344, Nicaragua 217 and Bulgaria 315 & 316 have Speed 2, standard is 1.
NB France 104 has Speed 2, standard for the M1 is 1.
Egypt 261, Czech 78 & 81 and Cuba 331 have Load Cost 1, standard is 2.

6-pdr/57mm M1 – Jordan 71, India 72 & 73, S.Korea 560, Taiwan 560, Pakistan 77 & 78, Norway 103 & 371, Denmark 268 & 269, S.Africa 70 and Ethiopia 256 have Crew 6, Canada 431 and Portugal 240 have 4, standard is 5.
France 104, Jordan 71, Australia 210, India 72 & 73, S.Korea 560, Taiwan 560, Pakistan 77 & 78, Belgium 420, Netherlands 355, Canada 431, Denmark 268 & 269, S.Africa 70 and Indonesia 164 have Load Cost 2, standard is 1.
Tanzania 341 has RoF 7, all others have 8.

75mm M20 RCL (and derivatives) – Albania 90 has Crew 8, standard is 6.
China 630 and Albania 90 have Size 1, standard is 0.

7.5cm PaK 97/38 – Norway 373 and Bulgaria 313 have Speed 2, Norway 107 has 1, standard is 0.

7.5cm PaK 40 – NVA 124 and Hungary 76 have Crew 7, standard is 6.
Norway 374 and Bulgaria 314 have Speed 2, Norway 108 has 1, standard is 0.

76mm M1 – France 105 has Crew 5, standard is 6.
USA 257 and Green 217 & 218 have Load Cost 2, standard is 3.

76.2mm ZiS-3 (and derivatives) – N.Korea 650 has Speed 1, standard is 0.
Cyprus 55 has Crew 5, standard is 6.
Austria 188 and Nigeria 342 have Load Cost 2, Cyprus 55 and Tanzania 342 have 1, standard is 3.

17-pdr – Load Cost is either 2 or 3 (6 each), except for Italy 114, which has 1. Standard for others of similar size is 3. Those with Size 2 are:- Israel 163, Gulf 342 & 343, Saudi 343 & 344 and N.Yemen 342.

85mm D-44 – Iran 114, Mujahadeen 263, Afghanistan 262 & 263, Red 493 & 494, Cuba 335, Ethiopia 262, Sudan 344 & 345 and Eritrea 346 have Crew 8, standard is 6.
The above units, plus Iraq 235 & 236 and N.Korea 478 & 479, less Ethiopia 262, have Load Cost 2, standard for a 85mm is 3.
Sudan 345 is called ‘D-48’, although its primary weapon is called and has the stats of a D-44.

85mm D-48 – NVA 127, Cuba 336 & 337, Viet Cong 79, S.Yemen 343, N.Yemen 346 and Somalia 345 have Crew 8. Although those with Crew 6 are a minority, http://русская-сила.рф/...y/ar/d48.shtml confirms this as correct.
The above units, plus N.Korea 480, have Load Cost 2, standard for a 85mm is 3.

85mm M52 (and derivatives) – Cambodia 479 has Crew 8, Austria 189 has 7, standard is 6.
E.Germany 81 & 82 have Speed 1, standard is 0.
Czech 82 & 85 have Load Cost 1, Egypt 264 has 2, standard is 3.
Egypt 264 has FC 0, all others have 5.

100mm BS-3 – Iraq 238, Mujahadeen 264 and Red 495-497 have Crew 9, standard is 6 or 8 (split about evenly, as are the authorities.
Cyprus 56 has Load Cost 1, NVA 128 and Czech 83 & 84 have 2, Nicaragua 219 has 4, all others have 3.
NB Although the Czech unit is a later development, it is actually slightly heavier than the BS-3.

100mm T-12/2A29 – Cuba 94 has Crew 7, Iran 115, NVA 470 & 471, Afghanistan 265, E.Germany 320. Hungary 85 & 550, Viet Cong 81 and N.Yemen 348 & 349 have 8, Iraq 240 & 241 and Mujahadeen 265 have 9, standard is 6.
NVA 470 & 471 have Load Cost 2, standard is 3.

106mm RCL – Malaysia 220 & 221 have Speed 2, standard is 3.

B-10 RCL (and derivatives) – China 631 & 632 and Mozambique 22 have Size 1, standard is 0.

B-11 RCL – Iraq 242, Mujahadeen 266 and Afghanistan 266 have Size 0, standard is 1.
Zimbabwe 55 has Crew 7, all others have 6.
Libya 259 and Bulgaria 322 have Speed 1, Cuba 338, Zimbabwe 55 and Mozambique 23 have 2, standard is 3.
Cuba 338 has Load Cost 1, all others have 0.

M40 106mm RCL – Jordan 74, Iraq 810, Netherlands 358 and Nigeria 343 have Size 0, standard is 1.
Jordan 74 and S.Africa 72-75 have Crew 4, standard is 6.
Zimbabwe 56 has Speed 2, all others have 3.

M59 RCL – Czech 377 has Speed 0. AFAIK it carries no particular weight penalty, and it is wheeled.

120mm Mobat – Jordan 73 has Crew 4, standard is 6.


Class 157 – Light AT Gun

76.2mm ZiS-3 – Cyprus 266 has Crew 5 and Load Cost 1, standard is 6/3.

106mm M40 RCL - Malaysia 220 & 221 have Speed 2, standard is 3.


Class 158 – Heavy AT Gun

Ukraine 585 has Start Date 1/3. Should maybe be 1/103?
If this and 584 are the same gun ‘family’ as the Russian Sprut, they have Size 1, Speed 0 and RoF 5, Russian versions have 2, 3 and 6.

2A29 – Bosnia 423 has Crew 6, standard is 8.

90mm M40 – Spain 160 has Crew 8, Italy 166 has 10. The only other example I can find (Argentina 219) has 8.

Richard H

[Richard_H]

Off-Map Artillery

Class 10 – Off-Map Field Artillery

Uruguay 613 has a Survivability rating.

Bosnia 377 has a Lift Capacity.

UK 198 has an Armour rating (Steel Top).

57 units have a Load Cost. Probably cosmetic.

Poland 178, Russia 811, Canada 388 & 390, Cyprus 97 and Sweden 462 have AP rounds.

76mm M1936 – Poland 500 has RoF 8, standard is 7.

76mm ZiS-3 – Egypt 181 has RoF 8, standard is 7.

3 inch Naval – Norway 301 & 302 have RoF 7, Netherlands 146 and Norway 303 have 8, standard is 9.

76mm Naval – Poland 183 has RoF 6, standard is 9.

25-Pdr – Tanzania 225 and Uganda 225 have RoF 6, standard is 7.

100mm Naval – Norway 299 & 300 and Bulgaria 180 have RoF 7, Poland 180, Italy155, E.Germany 180 and Romania 180 have 9, standard is 8.

122mm D-30 – Egypt 183 has RoF 7, standard is 6.

127mm/5 inch Naval – France 568 and Chile 162 have RoF 6, NVA 599, Italy 158 and Brazil 161 have 8, standard is 7.

130mm Naval – E.Germany 181 has RoF 8, Poland 182 has 9, standard is 7.

152mm Naval – E.Germany 182 has RoF 5, standard is 6.

155mm M777 – Poland 171 and Canada 387 have RoF 6, Poland 178 has 7, standard is 4.

320mm Naval – Spain 140 has RoF 4, Italy 163 has 6.


Class 155 – Off-Map Medium Artillery

Uganda 229 & 231 and Uruguay 390 have a Size rating.

USA 526-529, 535-538 & 803-805, Australia 201 and Somalia 233 & 234 have a Lift Capacity.

Iraq 183, Spain 132, Italy 142, Czech 369, Brazil 171, Cuba 271, Algeria 143, 144 & 146, Switzerland 839, 840, 860 & 861, Thailand 368 & 369, Angola 228, 229 & 232, Sweden 450, 452 & 453, Nicaragua 172, Somalia 232, Tanzania 232 & 233 and Uganda 228 & 229 have a Load Cost.

Libya 178, Brazil 171 and Switzerland 839, 840 860 & 861 have Survivability ratings.

Switzerland 839, 840 860 & 861 have Stabiliser ratings.

Cuba 271 has a Rangefinder rating.

47 units have AP rounds. Would you like me to list them?

Switzerland 610 & 739 have sabot rounds.

Libya 178, Brazil 171 and Switzerland 860 & 861 have Armour ratings.

122mm M1937 – N.Korea 645 & 646 have RoF 4, standard is 6.

130mm M46 – Egypt 184 has RoF 7, standard is 5.

149mm Mo.35 – Italy 133 has RoF 4, standard is 5.

152mm D-1 – Egypt 185 has RoF 4, standard is 5.

155mm M777 – USA 512 has RoF 6, standard is 4.


Class 156 – Off-Map Heavy Artillery

Paraguay 203 is the only unit with a Size rating.

Gulf 508, Belgium 159, Brazil 177, Cuba 275 & 276, Algeria 149-151, Switzerland 627 & 771, Angola 234 & 235, Nigeria 238, Sweden 457 & 464, Lebanon 284, 287 & 288, Eritrea 235, Peru 173, Tanzania 234 & 235 and Paraguay 201 have a Load Cost.

Gulf 508, Yugoslavia 571 & 572, Brazil 175 & 177, Switzerland 627 & 771, Croatia 572, Nigeria 238, Sweden 459 and Lebanon 286 are the only units with Survivability ratings.

Iraq 843, Yugoslavia 385 & 386, Cambodia 180 and Croatia 385 & 386 have Lift Capacity 3, all others have 0.

Switzerland 627 & 771 are the only units with FC, Stabiliser and Rangefinder ratings.

Switzerland 627 is armoured, but off-map.

Gulf 508, Brazil 175 & 177 and Sweden 459 also have (Steel) armour ratings.

Crews vary, but this would be (I think, correct me if I’m wrong) a purely cosmetic exercise. Fine when we’ve nothing better to do.

24 units have AP rounds.

152mm D-1 – Poland 176, 186 & 502 have RoF 4, standard is 5.

152mm D-20 – Czech 506 has RoF 4, standard is 5.

155mm L/52 – Poland 759 has RoF 8, standard for this weapon is 6.

175mm M113 – USA 812 has RoF 3, standard is 4.

203mm – Russia 188, Czech 507 and Kenya 95 have RoF 2, standard for 203mm is 3.

I note that Turkey 148, Yugoslavia 571 & 572, Croatia 572 and Portugal 228 are in this class rather than Class 10.


Class 211 – Off-Map Minelet Battery

S.Korea 163 has RoF 3, all others have 1.

Richard H

[Richard_H]

Footnote to Class 10 is that I rather think (and it's only a think without my reference books) that 320mm is a spurious calibre for the Spanish Navy. Their last battleships de-commissioned in 1937.

Richard H

[Marcello]

Originally Posted by Richard_H

Footnote to Class 10 is that I rather think (and it's only a think without my reference books) that 320mm is a spurious calibre for the Spanish Navy. Their last battleships de-commissioned in 1937.

Richard H

IIRC they kept some heavy caliber guns in coastal batteries for quite a long time after that.

3 inch Naval – Norway 301 & 302 have RoF 7, Netherlands 146 and Norway 303 have 8, standard is 9

Well it depends on which type of 3inch it actually is. It can go from WW2 style guns firing 15-20 RPM to modern turrents capable of 120 RPM and all the ROFs in between.

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by Marcello

IIRC they kept some heavy caliber guns in coastal batteries for quite a long time after that.

"De-commissioned" is maybe not a proper term for Spanish battleships, since they both sunk in 1937, on both sides of the civil war ;-) Moreover, they had 305 mm guns, not 320 mm.

I don't know how about coastal batteries, but I think, that they are rather not relevant to land combat, especially that they usually point at sea only.

Michal

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by Richard_H

SP ATGM

BRDM-2 – Egypt 351 and Algeria 337 have Speed 36 and Swim Speed 2, all others have 32 and 3.
Iraq 226 & 227, Cuba 98 & 99, Angola 295, Nicaragua 470 and Tanzania 295 have Size 2, all others have 3.

BRDM-2 – Iraq 260 & 261, N.Korea 33 & 34 and Cambodia 525 are Size 2, all others are 3.

Speed 32/3 is correct (95/9 km/h). Size 3 seems proper - it was somewhat bigger, than M113.

Originally Posted by Richard_H

BRDM-1 – Russia 380-382 are Size 2, all others are 3.

I'd say rather 3... It is a size of BTR-40.

though it's a surprisingly low machine, when I saw it in a museum that summer (and even climbed it - 190 cm.

Michal