Trinity - Newbie game - Finished - Avari/Ulm wins!

[iRFNA]

You're going to have to work for your meal, pangaea!

[Valerius]

I just checked the server and Pangaea isn't listed as one of the nations. Could one of you please confirm that Pan has been set AI (Statistics --> Pretenders of the world)? If so, that was very inconsiderate of CarlixTomix.

Having one of the main nations in the game go AI is very unbalancing. If we keep playing with Pan under computer control it basically provides easy provinces for any neighboring nations. OTOH, in order to reverse the AI command we'd have to roll back two turns, which also has obvious drawbacks.

[iRFNA]

Ya, it says AI ingame. Not sure why he went AI, as he's in the lead in multiple categories and has been slowly but surely tearing me to pieces...

[Avari]

Now this is.. extremely disappointing, to say the least. I'm sure he had a good reason to stop playing, but he should definitely have said something before simply going AI! Having Pan as AI would indeed be extremely unbalancing at this time.

I'm one of Pan's neighbours so I would in theory be set to gain much. However I feel very strongly that we should roll back as much as needed and then find a sub for Pangaea. As long as there is no threat to game stability (?) I think that would be best. Even if it would be a major inconvenience and change some events.

What does everyone else think? I propose that we postpone hosting if necessary until this has been resolved.

[Ragnoff]

I think a sub needs to be found. I am not certain about a roll back, the last several turns have been significant in the Shinuyama-C'Tis war. I supposed if C'tis is willing to replay it I am but I know he surprised me and anded me some setbacks I may be able to avoid if they are redone (of course he has also learned and could hand me worse ones too).
Ragnoff

[Hylobius]

Wow, how very rude!

We certainly need a sub. I don't understand the mechanics of a roll-back so I don't have a comment on that.

[Avari]

As far as I understand, the command to go AI cannot be reversed. Thus it would be necessary to rollback to a previous turn, where the nation in question is still under human control. However I'm not sure why a two-turn rollback would be needed, as I think Pan went AI this last turn. In any case getting a sub to play Pan would only be possible via a rollback. I think there might also be additional problems if Pan had set a password, I don't know if it's possible to check that before deciding. (I may be wrong on all this but this is my understanding)

I'm also not entirely sure of the details of a rollback, but I'm sure Valerius can enlighten us, if it is decided that a rollback is preferable to having an AI Pan. A rollback would entail very little in-game hassle to me, as I'm not currently engaged in any real conflict. The situation is of course different for those who are in a decisive war action (Shinuyama and C'tis at least). My preference for a rollback stems mainly from the fact that I would possibly be getting a big advantage which I feel is unfair. (Of course it's also possible that AI Pan would kick my behind :P )

[Drog the Destroyer]

Well the situation for C'tis is pretty straightforward, I may have bloodied Shinuyama quite heavily the last few turns - but it has cost me almost all the troops I have left. The war was decided early when Shinuyama won a couple of major victories. All that is left is sticking it out and being as big a pain in the b*** as possible.

This also opens up an option - C'tis wont last long. And I've really enjoyed playing with all the people that are left in the game. So instead of joining a new game, perhaps I could take over Pangea? Even if it's Manead micromanagement hell, I would really hate to see this game go haywire.

[Valerius]

Originally Posted by Avari

Now this is.. extremely disappointing, to say the least. I'm sure he had a good reason to stop playing, but he should definitely have said something before simply going AI!

Yes, exactly. I'm not one to give someone a hard time if real life circumstances change and they don't have time for the game or even just lose interest - but if you are a major power at least show the other players some consideration and let them know they need to find a sub.

Anyway, it looks like everyone supports finding a sub for Pan so I am going to roll back one turn (Avari is correct that the command cannot be reversed). BTW, I was mistaken about needing to roll back two turns - I was thinking in terms of a player being eliminated, not one going AI. We may well only have to roll back one turn. And if that's the case then we can re-host using the same turns everyone already submitted last turn - the only change would be sending Pan's turn without AI orders.

Just to be clear: when I roll back you will be sent a turn file from the llamaserver - please ignore it. There won't be any need to complete your turn again.

Also, how about Drog taking over Pan's position and we set C'tis AI? This seems like a good solution.

[Hylobius]

Drog is to be commended for his willingness to fight to the last man, err.. lizard, instead of dropping when he lost a big battle. I'd be happy to see him pick up Pan.