What can cause Barbarian Uprisings?

[IndyPendant]

Hi all.

I can't find anything in Teh Buk--but I just want to make sure I'm not the victim of a subtle assault.

Is there anything besides a "True Random Event" that can cause barbarians to revolt in a province? (An anonymous spell, say, or a stealth ability?)

The reason I ask is, I'm in two MP games currently: the first is at around Turn 32, and I have suffered one or two total uprisings. The second is only around Turn 18--and in that game, I have suffered no less than SIX uprisings, *and* a 'band of heroes' attacking my capital!

(--In both games, my scales are Order 3/Misfortune 3, but somehow I don't think that would be critical, mostly because the uprisings seem to happen in both white- and black-candle provinces.)

Thanks in advance!

[quantum_mechani]

Only a true random event can trigger an independent barb attack. It's the misfortune scale that allows it- most likely the other dominions around you have misfortune too. In particular, misfortune 3 enables twice the number of barb attacks.

[Ballbarian]

I can't speak for the other ballbarians, but sometimes I just get my britches in a wad and have to rise up and pillage something...

[Jazzepi]

Your provinces can revolt against you, which is a factor of unrest I believe and has nothing to do with luck. In which case I think the province is left neutral, but empty of defenders regardless of province defense.

Or your provinces can be invaded by barbarians/heros/knights/necromancers (I'm sure there are a bunch I'm missing) in which case those forces attack the PD and any patrolling forces. If they win, then the province goes neutral and they sit in that province until kicked out.

Luck scales cause the invasions. Bad luck -3 means you are more likely to have events in general, and of those events they are more likely to be bad. Turmoil also helps determines the size of the attacking forces (I've seen 120 force barbarian hordes attack from turmoil 3) during unlucky events.

Another thing to note is that if you have dominion in a province you get all the good and bad effects. If you own a province, but do not have dominion in it, you only get the negative effects of the scales there. So you might own a province that has Order 3 misfortune 3, but have no dominion in it. Then that province counts as misfortune 3 only.

Jazzepi

[Juzza]

huh, I didn't know that about the good scales only taking effect in your own dominion, thanks Jazzepi, and hey, if turmoil increases the amount of barbians does order decrease the amount?

[thejeff]

Provinces can revolt?
Are you sure? I don't think I've ever seen it. And I've had provinces sit well over a 100 unrest for many turns.

[Jazzepi]

Juzza said:
huh, I didn't know that about the good scales only taking effect in your own dominion, thanks Jazzepi, and hey, if turmoil increases the amount of barbians does order decrease the amount?

I'm not sure if order decreases the amount, but I do know that turmoil increases the amount.

Personally I almost *always* play with order 3 misfortune 2.

Jazzepi

[IndyPendant]

Hrm. So it really is just the 'luck of the dice', figuratively speaking. Okay thanks. Just wanted to be sure. : )

[lch]

thejeff said:
Provinces can revolt?
Are you sure? I don't think I've ever seen it. And I've had provinces sit well over a 100 unrest for many turns.

Yup. If they have high unrest in them and a bad event, they can chose to revolt and become independent again.

[Hadrian_II]

lch said:

Yup. If they have high unrest in them and a bad event, they can chose to revolt and become independent again.

It might be that you not only need high unrest but also some turmoil scales for this event to happen.