New Cold War 2020 mod version!

[KraMax]

Ok.
Mig-29OVT is a prototype of plane Mig-29M/M2, and here already this plane (Mig-29M/M2) will rename in Mig-35.

Here small translation of some constructive changes:
"... This airplane possesses the raised maneuverability as it is equipped by engines with a turned down vector of draft. Jet engines MiG-29M OVT are capable to deviate on all axes.

By other airplane with a turned down vector of draft - Russian Su-30MKI and American F-22 - jet deviates only in one plane... "

http://rosprom.gov.ru/news.php?id=1442

[RecruitMonty]

What are your additions, changes to the German Leopards based on? I have been comparing the Vanilla OOB with yours and it seems a lot of the Leopards have undergone slight changes. Why is that? I know the later models require a change but the early ones too? No criticism, just curious. I want to upgrade my Leopard fleet but I am not sure yet.

[PlasmaKrab]

RecruitMonty said:
What are your additions, changes to the German Leopards based on? I have been comparing the Vanilla OOB with yours and it seems a lot of the Leopards have undergone slight changes. Why is that? I know the later models require a change but the early ones too? No criticism, just curious. I want to upgrade my Leopard fleet but I am not sure yet.

Mostly different sources I'd say. I have redone most of the modelization from the ground up when I could find data. I wanted to get everything on a firm common basis, so identical units are really identical in different OOBs.
If you look closely, most tanks and AFVs are slightly (or largely) different from the original.

F.e. I have tried to re-scale the FC/RF/vision data of the whole world tank fleet to get everything on a common basis, with some fixed conventions like 40 for a hunter-killer tank, 50 if both gunner and TC have the same sensor (Leo2A5), 60 with autotracker, etc. Much guesswork involved, so the whole system is not necessarily worth more than the game original.
Same with the armor ratings, they are based on different sources and some different conventions, but don't take them for granted.

[RecruitMonty]

What about dates of introduction and their weapons?

[PlasmaKrab]

To quote just one source I have here:
-Leopard 2"A0": 1 batch of 380 delivered 79-82
-Leopard 2A1: 1 batch of 450 delivered 82-83, 1 batch of 300 delivered 83-84
-Leopard 2A2: 1 batch of 380 retrofitted from A0
-Leopard 2A3: 1 batch of 300 delivered 84-85
-Leopard 2A4: 1 batch of 370 delivered 85-87, 1 batch of 150 delivered 88-89, 1 batch of 100 delivered 89-90, 1 batch of 75 delivered 91-92

That's for the pre-1990 series, which are the common basis.
I added more or less one year between delivery and troop IOC.

After 1990 we enter modded territory, and that's where I have started taking liberties with history. Hence the 2A5 deliveries that start full-scale in 1995 just after the modernization contract was granted. The logical follow-on is the 2A6 with the L55 gun, the 2A7 with the complete KWS2 armor package (say Leopard 2E), and the 2A8 which includes the KWS3 weapon upgrade.
Take into account that the next generation tank starts trickling into service by 2005, with some common tech with the Leo2A8, so it wouldn't be logical if this upgrade came after the more expensive new tank, and I'm not going to upgrade the Leopards for ever and ever.

The ammo I have used looks consistent with the official version, in hindsight. I used sabot round name rather than IOC year for international clarity (when copying the weapons to other orbats), so the WG79 gets the first APFSDS round available (DM13). AFAIK the DM23 (1983) and DM43 (1995) didn't enter German service, which still sticks to the official OOB: direct leap from WG79 to WG87 (DM33) to WG96 (DM53).
Now since I rebuilt the whole penetration values table to my own use, there are some source differences on some values, but as you can see they are minimal.

[RecruitMonty]

I don't suppose you would be interested in looking over my OOB work. It started out as a straight forward synthesis of a, best of, WWII German OOB and the modern German OOB. Any missing, interim, units I had to come up with from diverse sources.

The chief problem is that some of those units seem a little too simulated. I am hoping that someone will look over it a bit. I also borowed units that other mod developers had worked on, like your more modern German equipment.

As my mod is very much tailored to my personal tastes Only a few Icons that I made for the E-series vehicles have been released. If you like I will send you a copy of it. If not suggestions where to send it would be good too.

[PlasmaKrab]

Yes, I'd like to see your OOB mod, I'm always looking for new references. I can't promise you I'll check it through and through, but there are certainly things you have found and I have overlooked, and vice versa.
I think you should post your OOB somewhere on this forum, I'm probably not the only one interested.

[MarkSheppard]

I'm not sure if DD(X) 155mm AGS is in your 2020 mod. It's certainly worth looking into.

Some notes for implementation; this is NOT your normal 155mm shell. It may have a bore diameter of 155mm, but the designers made the shell significantly LONGER, making it perform like an 8" shell:

155 mm/62 (6.1") AGS
260 lb shell weight, with 23.8 lbs burster charge

8"/55 (20.3 cm) Marks 12 and 15
260 lb shell weight, with 21.3 lbs burster charge

[RecruitMonty]

Well, Thankyou very much for offering. I will setup the necessary files and post them up either here, with your permission, or in another post.

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If all is well with the OOB modification, then in the not too distant future it will be posted up along with all the necessary additional stuff. I will post it in a new thread though.

[RecruitMonty]

Three downloads!?! Can't people read? Well never mind.

I assume at least one of you was the one that this thing was intended for so its nukey time.

@ Plasmakrab, if you didn't get it PM me and I will mail it to you.

@ all those who downloaded it anyway, don'tbe surprised if it doesn't work or if some of the files are missing.