Cold War 2020 mod: first release!

[Siddhi]

sorry PK, can see your logic...
thanks for the info - question answered

[Jan]

the following is only about real life since i'm not seasonned enough to talk about in game effects of bullpup vs traditionnal design.

the bullpups main advantage is their compactness, very appreciable in the everyday life (mostly in vehicles) but also is some specific combat situation like FIBUA (Fight in Builded Up Area) and CQB (Close Quarter Battle).

In such situation the maniability and bulkiness, are important parameters and can give you an appreciable advantage. Note that i'm not saying that it can give you a hughe adavnatage like a corner shot weapon could give you but it make your life more confortable, at least not more harder.

For exemple, you can focus on another thing than the length of your weapon (in close combat situation and certainly in FIBUA, we are wroking systematically with the bayonet fitted) wich won't make you easier to spot by the ennemy.


Now about pure precision shooting, i would tend to say that traditionnal rifles are better suited for shoot over 300m since they are more well balanced.

One thing to know about sighting devices like on the Steyr Aug 77 and on the L-85 is that they make your job a bit easier in open field but are a real handicap in close combat (because of their "tunnel effect" on your SA) and make shooting on transversal mobile target (an ennemy that is running at 200m from your left to your right for exemple) harder than with iron sights.

Now, all in all, i'm convinced that a trained soldier with a specific weapon system won't be less effective than another trained with another weapon system ( given that the caliber is teh same for both) becaus ethey coth know how to exploit the advantage and how to manage the weakness of their tools.

cheers,

Jan

[Marek_Tucan]

Since you did mention the scope, what about the G36 system? Red Dot Sight for short ranges and scope in one neat package?

[Suhiir]

I've been looking at the accuracy issue (mostly with small arms) myself and trying not to deviate too far from the default values. But I am very curious about the 6 value assigned to the M8 and M29 weapons, a rather dramatic increase from the 1 given all other rifles.
Anyone know why there's such a dramatic increase for these particular weapons?

As to precision shooting I've fired M14's, AR15's, M16A1's, M16A2's, BAR (once), G3's, L1A1's, AK47's, SA80's, and Steyr AUG's.
And IMHO the configuration of the weapon is a non issue. Some weapons have better inherent accuracy then others (say an M14 vs an AK47) but far more important is the skill of the shooter.

[Marcello]

"But I am very curious about the 6 value assigned to the M8 and M29 weapons, a rather dramatic increase from the 1 given all other rifles.Anyone know why there's such a dramatic increase for these particular weapons?"

IIRC in general a 6 accuracy value assigned ot a rifle means that it is fitted with a scope. That at least is what I remember from the last time the issue was dealt with.In general it is assumed that the inherent greater accuracy of this or that rifle when firing with iron sights is a too small advantage to be of any relevance at the scale the game operates.

[thatguy96]

The XM29 was supposed to be fitted with a computerized FCS. That could be the reason. Its irrelevant as the OICW program has been shelved indefinitly. Having both the XM8 and XM29 in the OOB does not appear to be an accurate indicator of the future ATM.

[Marek_Tucan]

Isn't the OICW scope incorporated into the 25mm XM25 or how is that grenade launcher called?

[thatguy96]

The FCS was developed for the OICW, but I think you are correct in suggesting that it will still be used for the XM25. It's primary function was the control and targeting of the computerized airburst munition for that component. So far the GL is the only portion of the OICW continuing development. The XM8 and the XM29 are both basically dead.

[Suhiir]

I know the XM29 is well and truly dead but I thought the XM8 was still alive.
Too bad if it isn't, unlike the XM29 Buck Rodgers Do-it-All gun the XM8 looked reasonable, I even hear they were considering a 6.8mm version and from what I hear it's a pretty nice round.

[Jan]

thatguy96 said:
The FCS was developed for the OICW, but I think you are correct in suggesting that it will still be used for the XM25. It's primary function was the control and targeting of the computerized airburst munition for that component. So far the GL is the only portion of the OICW continuing development. The XM8 and the XM29 are both basically dead.

the GL of the F2000 have a similar targetting device and, as far as i know, it's actually fielded by several SF groups and by one army (Slovenia).

Do the F2000 GL also have value "6"?

cheers,

Jan