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July 6th, 2005, 11:56 AM
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Re: Possible bug in airborne drops
Sorry to have stirred up the BDM issue again.
Please take note of my question...
Do different types of LEG Infantry get penalized in the damage calcs for an airborne drop. Not Mechanized Infantry, Not Motorized Infantry. LEG.
Specifically, I'm seeing extreme wierdness in the damage to US Airborne MMG, Scout, Sniper, Rifle, 40mm GL, 81mm Mortar, 60mm Mortar, etc. Are any of these unit types penalized or given extra odds of taking damage?
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July 6th, 2005, 01:55 PM
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Re: Possible bug in airborne drops
Exactly:
Anything that is not Para has higher odds to break their bones upon landing ..
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July 6th, 2005, 02:10 PM
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Re: Possible bug in airborne drops
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Specifically, I'm seeing extreme wierdness in the damage to US Airborne MMG, Scout, Sniper, Rifle, 40mm GL, 81mm Mortar, 60mm Mortar, etc. Are any of these unit types penalized or given extra odds of taking damage?
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I have no airborne training, but aren heavy support weapons dropped spearalty somehow? A ranger doesnt land with a AGL strapped on his back right?
Havent anyone seen a russian BMD drop? They even use brake rockets for the final decent.
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July 6th, 2005, 04:31 PM
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Re: Possible bug in airborne drops
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Specifically, I'm seeing extreme wierdness in the damage to US Airborne MMG, Scout, Sniper, Rifle, 40mm GL, 81mm Mortar, 60mm Mortar, etc. Are any of these unit types penalized or given extra odds of taking damage?
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I have no airborne training, but aren heavy support weapons dropped spearalty somehow? A ranger doesnt land with a AGL strapped on his back right?
Havent anyone seen a russian BMD drop? They even use brake rockets for the final decent.
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I'm sorry for bringing the topic from leg to wheel, I assumed "leg" was an abbrevation.
But @Pergite, rocket brakes? Have you got any pictures of that?!
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July 6th, 2005, 05:41 PM
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Re: Possible bug in airborne drops
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But @Pergite, rocket brakes? Have you got any pictures of that?!
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Yes it can be dropped either by multi-parachute or parachute retro-rocket system. It was however very hard to find any pictures of the retro-rocket system. I have only seen it in films before, and only managed to find one lousy picture, quite strange really because it looks specatcular. Mybe someone here that is better than me on russian could make a try.
Btw: Does anyone have a good link to the movie about the classic "C-130�s attacks" movie, when they are rolling trucks across an airfield?
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July 6th, 2005, 06:36 PM
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Re: Possible bug in airborne drops
OK you guys can have this hijacked thread for the BDM discussion. I'll go start another one.
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July 6th, 2005, 06:48 PM
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Re: Possible bug in airborne drops
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OK you guys can have this hijacked thread for the BDM discussion. I'll go start another one.
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Or why not go back to the thread where the problem you have allready was discussed. I even think there is a answear for your question there. [Link]
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July 6th, 2005, 06:57 PM
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Re: Possible bug in airborne drops
Holy carrot, that first picture is wonderful! Well, they are all! Awesome indeed! [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/PointUp.gif[/img]
Now, please remove the damned causalties upon landing?!
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July 6th, 2005, 07:10 PM
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Re: Possible bug in airborne drops
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OK you guys can have this hijacked thread for the BDM discussion. I'll go start another one.
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Or why not go back to the thread where the problem you have allready was discussed. I even think there is a answear for your question there. [Link]
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That thread is full of stuff regarding... drum roll... dropping tanks and stuff! Not Leg Infantry which is what I'm talking about.
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July 6th, 2005, 08:22 PM
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Re: Possible bug in airborne drops
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scJazz said:That thread is full of stuff regarding... drum roll... dropping tanks and stuff! Not Leg Infantry which is what I'm talking about.
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If you are talking about soldiers as "leg" infantry, then there is all up to a chance roll. Dedicated airborne units (not heavy support) have a higher probablility of a succesfull drop than other units.
The values for that roll however seems a little bit strange (MobHack mentioned he would look into it). The problem is that its probably the same value from 1946 up to today.
Where the units land (terrain) also effects their well being.
So the answer is Yes! It doesnt matter what you drop from the sky, it will get "penalized" and suffer some kind of damage or suppression. But the better the troops the lower the damage. But most of this was explained in post 2 and 3 in this thread.
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