Invisible Swarm III: over - Page 6

PashaDawg · #51 May 5th, 2005, 08:40 AM

I need to go to work and then I am in a play. So, it won't be until fairly late before I upload a pretender. Sorry for any delay.

Boron · #52 May 5th, 2005, 06:11 PM

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Jurri said:
Jurri, Friend of All, the Giver of Food is ready to go! Please be gentle with him, he's totally harmless...

Hehe i wonder how many turns i survive this time. At least it can only get better than last time i guess

PashaDawg · #53 May 5th, 2005, 11:14 PM

Hey yah! What was the secret weapon you used in the last game, Jurri, that knocked poor Boron out so quickly?

PashaDawg · #54 May 6th, 2005, 12:42 AM

Arco pretender uploaded?

Check! Good to go.

Roger that.

CUnknown · #55 May 6th, 2005, 04:15 AM

The secret weapon was an immortal Dracolich, which is illegal in this game -just because-.

quantum_mechani · #56 May 6th, 2005, 04:45 AM

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CUnknown said:
The secret weapon was an immortal Dracolich, which is illegal in this game -just because-.

Hmm, that just might, possibly, be be my fault.

Still, I don't see how it is much worse than the VQ, seeing as Jotun has trouble really pushing dominion in the early game.

Ironhawk · #57 May 6th, 2005, 05:15 AM

My man pretender is in. Sorry bout the delay. Agonizing over magic and scales took forever.

Jurri · #58 May 6th, 2005, 05:22 AM

Just take dominion 10 for the Dracolich and you're set

Don't ask how much it costs to raise dominion from 1 to 10, though...

I described my reasoning for it to Alneyan a bit more in detail but I seem to have lost it... Maybe a good thing, here's the crux: The dragons in the mod are too powerful with their AOE attack, and two regular attacks! Take an S5 Dracolich (=S3 in dragon form) and you have on turn 1 a luck-casting monstrosity (Utg�rd, remember) that can't be stopped. Then later it gets such nasties as astral weapon and body ethereal and teleport, making it really a lean mean killing machine. No need for equipment or anything, just lob it in the right direction... VQ can't hold a candle to it, by far, costing more for less.

Saber Cherry · #59 May 6th, 2005, 07:16 AM

VQs get all of their magic paths, though, and life-drain. And integral regen and ethereality. And they can take the whole set of equipment, including Charcoal Shields, which are probably more effective than Wing Buffet. The best VQ-killer (dust to dust) does not work against air-enabled VQs, because Mirror Image is bugged and negates AOE spells.

Don't discount them just yet... I've never seen a Zen-modded Dracolich in action, but anything stronger than the VQ I did see would be very scary indeed.

Jurri · #60 May 6th, 2005, 08:23 AM

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Don't discount them just yet... I've never seen a Zen-modded Dracolich in action, but anything stronger than the VQ I did see would be very scary indeed.

Here's your chance! (I hope Chris and Jeff don't mind.) I seem to still have the last turn of the latest game... The Draco frags 3 bane lords two of which have anti-undead gear at Resting Heights, all the while being pestered by imps: no mean feat! I'd say strength 39 armor negating AOE attack is pretty sweet, even when compared to a VQ. And 400+ hps don't hurt either

The password is 'eero'

The VQ needs a lot of research and equipment and costs like all hell. Once you go the equipment-route you're better off with a cheaper chassis that preferably doesn't have the vulnerabilities either, IMO. Immortality is best when it can be used with gusto: lobbed at enemies and hoping that the dude causes at least some damage! If you need to forge 50 gems worth of equipment every time your SC bites the dust it tends to limit it's effectiveness.

Don't get me wrong, a VQ with enough magic is really, really sweet, but point-for-point it is nowhere near Zen-modded Dracolich, in my opinion. The Draco I used had dominion 10; order, sloth, cold 3; misfortune, magic 2; death 1. You can't get even close with a VQ of the same destructive capacity.