get that bull out of my grove!

djtool · #1 July 19th, 2004, 04:01 PM

I play CW more then the other themes. I can't remember his name at this time, but there is a hero that is a minotaur and has 3N 3Bl for magic skills.

well no thank you. Get your *** in the lab and don't let me see your face again.

I'd like to see this guy eliminated from the CW theme and replaced with a different hero.

tinkthank · #2 July 19th, 2004, 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by djtool:

well no thank you. Get your *** in the lab and don't let me see your face again.

yikes! here, take my bong

Gandalf Parker · #3 July 19th, 2004, 04:39 PM

I could see the problem there. Hmmm do themes get seperate heroes? I guess they do.

Can you suggest a CW hero?
(in my recommended preference)
Tartarian Monstrum?
Ancient Presence?
Treelord?
Ivy King?
All of those would seem fitting. They arent priestly, arent tied into any human presence or semi-human presence, and dont eat.

Vynd · #4 July 19th, 2004, 05:55 PM

Is this the only one of the regular Pangaean heros that CW gets? If not, what makes this guy any less thematic than the Ram's Horn guy or the Harpy Queen? Or is your complaint that blood mages are hard to use with CW?

Taqwus · #5 July 19th, 2004, 05:58 PM

CW gets both the Black Bull and the Harpy Queen, in addition to its own Ettin Mandragora hero.

Gandalf Parker · #6 July 19th, 2004, 06:09 PM

CW uses the anti-priests with red candelabras. I think there is a problem when a white candelabra shows up. Im not sure. There may be some friendly-fire problems with banishment also.

And CW tends to depopulate provinces. The "people" population is replaced as the provinces are "returned to the primeval state". Only the more plant-based creatures are considered completely welcome. That means food problems. Of course a hero with nature magic can feed itself but maybe its not themeatic.

Cainehill · #7 July 19th, 2004, 07:04 PM

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CW uses the anti-priests with red candelabras. I think there is a problem when a white candelabra shows up. Im not sure. There may be some friendly-fire problems with banishment also.

And CW tends to depopulate provinces. The "people" population is replaced as the provinces are "returned to the primeval state". Only the more plant-based creatures are considered completely welcome. That means food problems. Of course a hero with nature magic can feed itself but maybe its not themeatic.

Eh - CW gets lots of white candelbra priests - dryads. Admittedly they're mostly only useful for building temples and doing some minor site searching, but they can also do stealth preaching. Still - it'd be nice if CW's dryads could lead at least _some_ carrion critters, say 10 or so.

And I haven't found the food / supplies to be a real issue with CW. Provinces that are down to less than 1000 population, still producing 75+ supplies. A handful only producing about 25, with 290 population.

Norfleet · #8 July 19th, 2004, 09:08 PM

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well no thank you. Get your *** in the lab and don't let me see your face again.

While it's true his blood magic isn't much use for CW, it's not entirely impossible to use it, and at least you *CAN* stick his *** in a lab. That's more than can be said for other less than impressive national heroes of other nations, which not only lack any special attributes of note, but also cannot be parked in a lab, never to harass you again.

Cainehill · #9 July 19th, 2004, 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by djtool:
well no thank you. Get your *** in the lab and don't let me see your face again.

While it's true his blood magic isn't much use for CW, it's not entirely impossible to use it, and at least you *CAN* stick his *** in a lab. That's more than can be said for other less than impressive national heroes of other nations, which not only lack any special attributes of note, but also cannot be parked in a lab, never to harass you again.

Heh. Yeah, gotta love national heroes who aren't as good as the recruitable commanders, and don't even have a research skill.

About the Blood Bull with CW - yep, that little bit of blood can definately be used. Not so much for summonings or battlefield magic, but B3 is high enough to do some fairly nice blood forgings, and it's not that hard to get the 5-20 slaves you need for each item.

djtool · #10 July 19th, 2004, 11:03 PM

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yikes! here, take my bong [/QB]

haha. no thanks but i got a good laugh out of that. Its not like i'm *really mad.

Yeah you can get some forging out of that guy, but that's sad that its the highlight of what he can offer you. I also think using him for his blood magic is clumsy at best. Not only are you completely wrecking your population every turn (its my personal belief that your dominion should be no less than 8), your only getting a smattering of summons. Not so hot for combat blood spells either since those research points are needed elsewhere.

suggestions for a replacement hero? I guess a carrion lord hero would be appropriate. Or a black dryad.

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