SCs other than the vq

[mivayan]

A Vampire queen scripted to "quickness, ironskin, mistform, attack rearmost" costs 302 points and is very strong against indeps.

One reason this is popular could be a lack of other ideas for strong sc pretenders. So, lets hear some ideas, maybe carrion dragons, medusa or wyrms can be great early on too?

[IKerensky]

Well a simple man white bull with 5-6 level of nature casting regen/protection is cheap too... and will eat away a lot of indies

I dont think the main trouble is that VQ is too good against indies, nearly anyone can design a cheap Thug that could crush easily indies... problem is that VQ can pretty badly crush anyone without taking risk of dying...

[Kristoffer O]

Bull rarely dies and is recuperating.

Other pretenders might get afflictions. Best avoid them altogether

I suppose it is cowards who choose the VQ

[Cainehill]

Carrion Dragon is simply amazing. Its dragon form has 200 hit points, great attacks, Fear 10+, and heals its wounds. Only significant problem in attacking indies is running into the wrong spell casters, or not being set to melee attack and exhausting itself casting weak attack spells.

But wait, it gets better! It also has a Carrion Lord form - 57 HPs, and a full assortment of equipment slots! Still immune to poison, still 0 endurance for melee attacks, regardless of what armor you put on it! And, this week only, buy the Carrion Dragon chassis for just 50 points, that's right, 50 points, and we'll throw in a dose of Stealth for the Carrion Lord form, and Sleep Vines too!

[Teraswaerto]

Lots of pretenders make good SCs or Thugs, but of them only the VQ is immortal. It is a huge advantage compared to any other pretender.

[Kristoffer O]

Phoenix. Lich with winged boots.

[Pocus]

Originally posted by Kristoffer O:
Phoenix. Lich with winged boots.

Phoenix cant be used reliably as SC, the base hit points is too low.


edit: I think IW is not putting enough emphasize on how exploit-prone are some of the tougher pretenders

[ May 04, 2004, 16:24: Message edited by: Pocus ]

[Kristoffer O]

Originally posted by Pocus:
Phoenix cant be used reliably as SC, the base hit points is too low.


edit: I think IW is not putting enough emphasize on how exploit-prone are some of the tougher pretenders

On the other hand you are doing a good job of emphasizing all sorts of things

Phoenix is splendid. 1 evoc (fire darts) is all you need. Reliability comes from immortality rather than HP.

Apart from VQ, which pretenders can be exploited?

[Nagot Gick Fel]

Originally posted by Pocus:
Phoenix cant be used reliably as SC, the base hit points is too low.

He's great to soften the opposition a bit (or a lot) though. Cloud Trapeze in with the Phoenix, do as much havoc as you can, move an army in the same turn to collect the spoils while the Phoenix is back home, rinse & repeat.

[Teraswaerto]

The Phoenix has many problems. Poor slots, narrow or expensive paths. Fire Darts does not a SC make. I'm not saying it isn't good, only not anywhere near the VQ.

A Lich costs the same as a VQ, but lacks most of her abilities.