OT: I just caught some punk

[Azselendor]

Tasers that the police are supposed to have aren't supposed to cause death. The ones that cause death are a model with a higher power rating and typically people who die from tasers have undiagnosed heart conditions.

[Thermodyne]

To change the topic a little, I was at a party where some people were putting on a collar for some invisible fencing, not many of them walked over the wire. But there was this one air head that was not phased in the least. He actually seemed to like it!

[ June 20, 2004, 03:01: Message edited by: Thermodyne ]

[Jack Simth]

Different people are affected by electricity in different ways - I'm told that, as a joke, one of my grandfathers used to put his hand on the tractor's sparkplugs, while the engine was running, and ask someone to hand him a wrench. People started throwing wrenches at him after the first few times they got a taste of the voltage.

[Atrocities]

The problem today I think is that the courts are in the business of making money and that directly puts them in conclift with what they were design for; administering justice.

So it is more cost effective for a cop to sight someone with money for speeding then it is to bust a drug house where they will have to PAY to have it cleaned up.

If the courts are in the business of making a profit, then justice is no longer blind and it all comes down to the mighty buck.

How much justice are you willing to pay for. In this case none. It is not my job to bust the drug house, all I can do is keep reporting it, and do what I can within the law to protect my stuff from theft.

Today I put up four signs along the road, they all read; This property is monitored by survlance video.

I wonder if that will have an effect.

[Puke]

a solid shock can certainly make your muscles spasm. the tasers that shoot two electrodes into you and send a periodic shock will certainly bring you down, but the trick there is getting them to hit squarely, not deflect off a jacket or clothing, and let them be effective enough so that the target cant just yank them out.

ive been subjected to a steady pulse of shocks that physically prevented me from closing my hand. It didnt hurt that bad (shock isnt really as painfull as you thing, its just a supprise if you are not ready for it) and i certainly had the WILL and DESIRE to close my hand, but the muscles just ZAP wouldnt ZAP do ZAP it.

anyway, the little 9volt and D-cell battery powered hand tazers and stun guns / stun batons are good for about jack squat. having been hit by them, i can say that they hurt a little bit, definitly can leave a burn and potentially scarring, but dont disrupt your muscular function and aside from being really annoying, are not very effective.

I dont know what to tell you about the pepper spray, maybe the extra two million scovilles in the military **** makes a difference. but i sort of doubt it. When I had it in MY eyes, it stung like a bastard and I couldnt see anything through the squinting and tears, besides a vague sense of light and dark. But I could sure as **** move and swing my arms. technically, i could hear too, but I was distracted enough by the burning pain that it didnt help so much. not the best fighting form i admit, but certainly enough to threaten anyone who is hiding behind a bottle of pepper spray.

I guess the morale of the story is that pepper spray is great, if you intend to run away after using it. and tasers are great if and only if you have bizzare kinky sex habits.

pink and tender fillet mignon, well, thats just great all the time. especially with brine soaked capers and a nice pinot.

[Randallw]

I sort of got shocked once. I turned on a lamp and felt a strange tingling feeling through my hand for awhile. Once I turned on a lamp and the bulb blew up showering glass outwards. Luckily I was behind the lamp as I turned it on.

[dogscoff]

Today I put up four signs along the road, they all read; This property is monitored by survlance video.

I wonder if that will have an effect.

Dunno, depends whether they can red or not=-)

[Gandalf Parker]

From a conversation in the white-hat hackers newsGroups on the subject of cracking in the real world....
Having security is good. Having signs that say "secured by" is good. Having security and a sign saying secured by but it says some OTHER security is better.

[Azselendor]

A company I did work for didn't have much money so they relied on subterfuge to keep thier store (not saying what kind) secured.

Basically they had an alarm on the door - that was connected to a broken down volkswagon car alarm in the back. They had a phone system that would default to radios incase power was cut or the phone lines damaged. They also had three 4000 pound safes - filled with molds of merchandise not actual merchandise. The molds were donated by the styrofoam company next door.

Then to top it off, none of the outer doors had security alarms. Only the inner doors which connected the vw bug out back I mentioned before.

[psimancer]

i ran a business something like that but we actually had no alarms at all

however since we had neighberhood kids running around at night i staed late a few times and went out snd smoked a few cigs with them they wondered how i knew they were here i told em about the (fictious) webcam security system i had that kept uploading a 2hrs worth of pics to a web site and had a cellphone and internal powersuply so it can kee3p running for an hour after both landline and poweer loss plus with internal and hidden external cameras its like perfect to get pics of any malefgactors

the kids (15 or so )were duly interested (lots of probing questions) i even pointed out a box on the side of the warehouse as a camera point (just a standard elictrical box about 26 feet up in the air with a opening hole in the bottom) in 5 years of running my computer business there i never had any attempts yet the body shop that was there before and now around a corner had at least 2 atempts a month average

prevarication in the right ears is always more effecient than reality with no money