OT: Galactic sterilisation

[Sinapus]

Originally posted by Puke:

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Originally posted by JurijD:
At least in Europe we were able to preserve our differences and keep peace for the greater proportion of history. Sure there were wars but only because people like the original american settlers wanted to wipe everyone else out but themselves... BUT they all failed and now we have a culturaly diverse Europe that is peaceful....

alright, im not going to get into the political pissing match with you guys, as neither of you seems to have any interest more than a fraction of one side of the story, but the above comments on peacefull Europe are just absurd. Thanks, I actually got to laugh out loud.

You have a 60 year reprieve after over 2000 years of bloody conflict, and you think you've invented utopia? did you even think about that before you typed it?

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Worse: the profile says JurijD is from Slovenia.

Yes, people in Europe have had decades of peace devoid of icky people wanting to wipe out anyone but themselves. Especially the Balkans. Yep. No wars there for decades. Nope. Saw nothink. All is peace and calm. (...used since there is no vomit smiley I can find.)

Originally posted by JurijD:
I always knew your schools don't give you much knowledge of history but I never suspected it was this bad... Don't judge the entire history based on the events of the first part of the 20th century.

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Your ignorance is amazing. Your neighboring country of Croatia was invaded barely a decade ago and... nevermind. There is obviously no point in discussing things with you.

[ January 06, 2004, 22:41: Message edited by: Sinapus ]

[JurijD]

Originally posted by Sinapus:
Your ignorance is amazing. Your neighboring country of Croatia was invaded barely a decade ago and... nevermind. There is obviously no point in discussing things with you.

I don't need someone from the far side of the globe telling me about what happened in my back yard. You poeple are amazing, I never said there weren't any wars here. I said that we kept peace FOR THE GREATER PART OF OUR HISTORY! (calculate years of war for a country and divide by total time).

And another thing I was born in Sarajevo so I don't need you telling me what the difference between war and peace is and who did what in what war on the Balkans.

The reasons why you Americans are posting back and quoting only specific things is because I HURT YOUR EGO by saying the US wasn't such a nice country your great leaders claim it to be and you're responsible for a PILE of **** all over the globe, especially int he Last few decades when you got your courage back since those big ol Russian missles aren't targeting your cities any more.

[ January 06, 2004, 22:50: Message edited by: JurijD ]

[JurijD]

Now lets cut the crap and leve it as it is as we obviously won't get anywhere with this. Its like trying to make the Cardassians appologize to the Bajorans (for a lack of a better example.

Try to really elect a president this year, don't go to the courts again... thats another thing the classics taught us... separating the 3 pillars of power..

[Puke]

Look here kid, you didnt hurt me ego, so dont be quite so proud of youself. I dont want any part in your political arguement. Yep, we're bullies. Yep, we dont want anyone else to have the weapons and power we have. Yep, we want to be the only superpower. A bit concerned about China and all the smaller fringe Groups that can pose a decentralized threat to our supremacy, and a touch worried about the unified European economy, but basically happy to be the top dog during this brief moment of history.

So now that I've gone an agreed with all the evil things you'd like to accuse us of over here, I'll repeat the reasons why I think you're being silly. First, you seem to think you've discovered some great secret, or that what we're doing is contrary to human nature, or that what you're doing is the next step of evolution. Get over your self. Neither of us are that special.

Second, you are plainly ignoring history. The dark ages Lasted hundres of years. The Pope begged kings and warlords to stop using crossbows and to stop killing other Christians. The Germans invaded Rome and put puppet popes in the Vatican on numerous occasions. France and England were at war for 100 years. Spain was conquered by Arabs and then took Iberia back, and started an inquisition to burn out the Last traces of forign religion. Its not the Last century im judging you on, its human history. And its not just you. im not just looking at the first half of this century, im looking at the history of our species.

China fell to the barbarian hordes, whom became the leaders of new dynasties. Japan underwent centuries of constant warfare. The age of exploration and the age of imperialism saw the bloody conquest of the entire globe by European superpowers. less than 200 Spaniards butchered 80,000 Incas without losing a man, and that was just one battle. England fought wars in China to force them to continue to buy opium. The Aztecs conquered and enslaved their neighbors. The plains indians of north america had mass graves where they burried the entire tribes of their enemies. Islanders from New Zeland conquered almost every other island in the pacific, reshaping them in their own image.

Cave men had sharp sticks

Monkies had rocks

If you still have your peacefull and borderless society in 200 years, you will have a reason to brag. Right now, the only thing you are telling me is that you are a hapless victim of propoganda. Which is okay, if most of the world didnt believe what they are fed by the media, how would the powers that be stay in control?

[Loser]

Good one, Puke. Not too rough, not at all apologetic.

[Fyron]

I have little to add to what Puke said (though he was being his usual pukey self there... ). My post that disappeared in the transition from notepad to internet touched on several of the issues he addressed anyways.

Now is the perfect time for all of you that have not yet rated Puke to give him the 1 that he so wants! (and according to Puke, deserves)

(and you can go do a search to find the several threads (or many) in which he has specifically asked to be down-rated to a 1)

[ January 07, 2004, 00:44: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[Krsqk]

I can't tell any more if this is a discussion of or an argument for galactic sterilization.

[Fyron]

Argument for perhaps...

[oleg]

Originally posted by JurijD:
...You are so wrong Oleg...

can you point to the original paper you got all this crap from. There are so many flawed and overly hyped "models" publish these days one can hardly believe all this doomsday nonsense.

[Fyron]

But he can bash the US and its citizens... what more could he ask for?