OT: Big Daddy Amin Dead at 80

[parabolize]

why should we occupy these countrys
they have nukes and havent said they will not shoot first... neither has the USA
because they kill people with bombs
cars kill people
more people than terrorists
unless you want to count the USA as a terrorist

guns will not win the hearts and minds of the iraq people neither will frozen chicken
perhaps we could give them electrical power back
perhaps a government

[Fyron]

perhaps we could give them electrical power back
perhaps a government

And that is exactly the sort of thing that is being rebuilt there...

[tesco samoa]

The Taliban were going to be removed before sept 2001. This was a well known fact. It has now been misplaced or changed to support what happened after sept 11 2001.

Most documents are now gone... but here is the only one i could find from janes

http://www.janes.com/security/intern...1011_1_n.shtml

http://www.janes.com/security/intern...0315_1_n.shtml

bbc

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...02strike.story

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/no...afgh-n20.shtml
(which mentions the janes articles )

http://www.globalpolicy.org/wtc/anal...2/0208book.htm

What I always thought was that the Al-Quada were going to be attacked ( taliban as well ) not openly like what really happened but via its local enemies and with Special Ops. And some help from India , Iran , Russia.

Not a conspircy theory. I do not think they were going to send the military in there as they did but with 9-11 this became an option to use. Which they did as well as the other plans that were in place or in motion.

As for Iran... their lead cleric has advocated the use of nuclear weapons on Israel (link here). They have a nuclear infrastructure program in progress. Is it asking too much to insist that these two facts be taken into consideration in determining if Iran is a "rogue state" or not?

DId you read the whole article? And in answer to your question of is it to much... well yes. and i do not think iran is a rogue state.

And Iraq's ties with 'terrorism' are Groups that could hurt their regional foes. Such as Mujahedeen-e-Khalq , Kurdistan Workers� Party and some palestinian Groups such as the islamist hamas and the abu nidal organization. And reportedly channeled money to families of Plaestinian suicide bombers.

[General Woundwort]

Most of the articles here just prove the point - that military action against the Taliban by outside forces was inevitable, and necessary for their overthrow.

As for the Russian and Indian planned actions against the Taliban, all I can say is, "whatever came of them?" The Taliban still controlled Afghanistan prior to the US-Taliban War of fall 2001, with slim prospects of the Northern Alliance winning without outside help.

As to Iran's ties with regional Groups, like I said before, radical Islamists fight other Muslims just as readily as they do us. The very fact that they bombed the UN HQ in Iraq (after all that the UN did to bolster Saddam and restrain the US) shows their true colors. It's Them vs Everyone Else.

[Phoenix-D]

"And Iraq's ties with 'terrorism' are Groups that could hurt their regional foes. Such as Mujahedeen-e-Khalq , Kurdistan Workers� Party and some palestinian Groups such as the islamist hamas and the abu nidal organization. And reportedly channeled money to families of Plaestinian suicide bombers."

Which doesn't mean those aren't terrorist Groups, so what's with the ' ' around terrorism?

[geoschmo]

Tesco, your articles show that the US military had plans drawn up prior to 9/11 to attack Afganistan. That is not exactly an earth shattering revelation. And it's certainly not nearaly the same thing as saying the Taleban was going to be overthrown. There is a big difference between planning something and doing it. And aiding the Northern Alliance and sending in covert teams to try and find Bin Laden are not the same thing as overthrowing the Taleban. And none of this even discusses the implications of the Massud assassination, which would have been a devastating blow to the anti-taleban efforts if 9/11 had not happened.

If the truth is told there are probably plans in some pentagon file cabinet for the military invasion of Quebec. And your generals probably still have plans around somewhere for the recapture of Fort Detroit. That's what generals do in peace time, they plan things. Most of them never happen thankfully. But also it's a very good thing that they prepare. That's what we pay them to do afterall.

[Thermodyne]

The military has plans on the books to invade Canada, Mexico, France, Germany, you name it. Lots of people work on these plans all the time. But few are ever used. And with the new light force concept, all are being reworked.

[tesco samoa]

umm so we all agree here....

this thread is going to go nowhere fast.

or are we all in disagreement over the fact we all agree with each other

strange day on shrapnel indeed

[geoschmo]

I agree with the facts stated in the links you have provided Tesco. They aren't particularly suprising, although as always it is interesting reading. But I disagree with your analysis of them, which is also not all that suprising.

[General Woundwort]

Hey, we almost forgot what started this thread in the first place...

Why Didn't Amin Rot and Die in Jail?