[OT] Cr*ppy Belgium - Page 3

Some1 · #21 February 12th, 2003, 12:12 PM

If the US would have signed Kyoto,...

If the US would have agreed the Global Justice court,...

If the US would agree to dismantle their own chemical, boilogical and nuclear weapons,...

If the US would care about human rights (even in their own country),...

If the US would be equal against (example) Saudi Aribia as vs Iraq(in their war against Terror),......

If the US really means to save the iraqi people from their cruel leader,...

If the US would treat palestinian people as PEOPLE

and a lot more...

If the US...I could 'support' the US, and with me a lot (people/countries) around the world...

But this war, is like supporting one dictator vs the other (And i see as the US as a dictator), in the end u are sorry.

R.

p.s. IF the US had a better president (rather then a couple of big Corporations, as leader).... a lot of this would not have happend...

(edit)p.s. i didn't see the post below, but i agree.

[ February 12, 2003, 10:20: Message edited by: Some1 ]

Fyron · #22 February 12th, 2003, 12:36 PM

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p.s. IF the US had a better president (rather then a couple of big Corporations, as leader).... a lot of this would not have happend...

Sorry, but the US is not run by corporations. The leaders of those corporations, like rich people in every nation on the face of the planet, do have some room to make suggestions to Bush and the Congress and all. But, they do not control the government.

couslee · #23 February 12th, 2003, 01:00 PM

rant
OIC, so if the USA intervenes in the issues, they they are wrong for violating the soverntry of another nation and accused of trying to "conquer the world" so they can have oily rubbers. And if they leave it up to which ever government that is in power to correct the wrongs in THEIR country, the USA is wrong and accused of turning a blind eye..... Kiss my arse. If the USA is going to be wrong no matter what they do, then IMNSHO they should do it right. And interpret that anyway you want.
/rant

On the lighter side, I really hope Saddam's latest cooperations is genuine and not another delay tactic. if genuine, then fantastic, a war can be averted. If it's more BS, then he has comming whatever happens. I think the there has been more than enough latitude given for him to cooperate.

minipol · #24 February 12th, 2003, 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by primitive:
It's far better to have one weak enemy you know and can control, then to have enemies you don't know.

Not in alle cases. In the meanwhile he's still funding terrorists. Plus the embargo against Iraq is still in place. Do you really think they would lift the embargo while Saddam is in place?
I think ( you can never be sure, not in this political climate) that after a war, the embargo would be lifted, opening the door for aid to the people of Iraq. If the aid would reach those that really need it is another question.

How would you solve these issues while leaving Saddam in place. I don't think you can.

Askan Nightbringer · #25 February 12th, 2003, 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by minipol:

Well, i didn't feel that much different than home.
Only Vegas was much different: it's a dessert and we don't have a dessert here in Belgium

Well now I'm being pedantic, but when I was in Brussels I did have a dessert (after my mussels and Lefe Brune of course). Never saw a desert, but there were plenty of desserts.

As for the topic.... I love Belgium! I wish my country's leader had the testicular fortitude to do what Belgium did, instead of getting scruffed up knees and getting patted on the head alot.
With the American Hegemony at full pace now its only natural for other countries to decide on a policy of political non-cooperation. Nobody can out gun the USA, nobody can touch them economically so the best we can do is not cooperate. It may be futile but its still better than being completely trodden on.

Askan

damien · #26 February 12th, 2003, 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by Askan Nightbringer:

With the American Hegemony at full pace now its only natural for other countries to decide on a policy of political non-cooperation. Nobody can out gun the USA, nobody can touch them economically so the best we can do is not cooperate. It may be futile but its still better than being completely trodden on.
Askan

You're not saying that America has become the mega-evil empire are you

And if so, you cant be proposing a campaign of civil disobedience can you?

Personally, I think the best way to deal with America is to ignore it completely. Filter it out of your life completely - stop watching american TV, stop going to american movies, stop listening to american music, and stop eating american food.

trooper · #27 February 12th, 2003, 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by Some1:
[QB]If the US would have signed Kyoto,...

You forgot : If the US would stop building and selling antipersonal mines...

But the rest is absolutely true. Why should we support a petrodollar dictature against a islamic military dictature ? And Irakians haven't elected Saddam (perhaps americans haven't elected GB in Florida too , I don't know), so they aren't responsible for that situation.

For me, the live of an irakian is as precious as the life of an american.

If Georges Bush has decided to get rid of SH, why not simply droper parachutists on its palace, or a big heavy laser guided bomb, instead of bombing a whole country ? These guys are paid to risk their live, after all. An other option would be to bribe irakian tribe leaders to rebel against Saddam. I think it would be a cheaper solution than moving the whole US army in the golf. So why does he want to attack ? to control the oil fields and please the corporation that put him in place ? to justify its military budget ? to be elected in 2004 ? I haven't said it, it's up to you to make your opinion.

minipol · #28 February 12th, 2003, 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by Askan Nightbringer:
(after my mussels and Lefe Brune of course)

You'll have to come back. We have more than 1000 beers. I personnaly have only tasted about 40 different ones so i have much work to do :-)
Although i haven't tasted "Lefe Brune" yet but i know a beer called "Leffe Bruin"

As for the Belgian politics. Some of our politicians might look strong to the outside world but it's ashame they can't be that resourceful when it comes to internal politics.

Belgium is one of the only countries with 3 governments. 1 flemish, 1 walloon and 1 federal. Or something like that. Too complicated for a normal thinking human being to understand.

Beer, waffels, mussels and chocolate is all we have

dogscoff · #29 February 12th, 2003, 06:27 PM

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Beer, waffels, mussels and chocolate is all we have

I'd be happy with just the beer and chocolate.

*Dogscoff books a one-way ticket on the Eurostar...

Krsqk · #30 February 12th, 2003, 07:41 PM

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Personally, I think the best way to deal with America is to ignore it completely. Filter it out of your life completely - stop watching american TV, stop going to american movies, stop listening to american music, and stop eating american food.

Please. By all means. If anyone out there truly feels the US is evil, then it's only being consistent to avoid all connection with them. If we are controlled by evil corporate entities, then don't support them with your dollars (or dinars or rubles or francs or lira...).

Let's see if those in other countries are willing to give up the luxuries obtained from this country and put their money where their mouth is.