ctis poison slingers

parone · #1 February 20th, 2012, 06:57 AM

i like these units a lot. but i think i am killing more of my desert rangers than enemies!!

i know my own units can be poisoned by my slingers(they have only a 50% poison immunity) but i think if they even suffer one point of poison damage, they are KIA and show up as casualties, even if they survive the battle(which they nearly always do)

am i right in this? if so, i guess the slingers are only useful to support undead.

Knai · #2 February 20th, 2012, 07:06 AM

There are methods to get poison immunity for armies.

Kobal2 · #3 February 20th, 2012, 10:45 AM

MA Ctis' Marshmasters have the exact right paths to cast Serpent's Blessing, which gives your whole army +50% poison resist. Your saurians already have 50% poison resist. Do the math, then cast Foul Vapors on top of it because why not ? It's all in Enchantment, which also happens to be your main research path (skellispam, terror, leeching darkness, relief...)

LA Ctis doesn't really have the tools to pull it off, but then they have lots and lots of undead chariots instead.

parone · #4 February 20th, 2012, 03:10 PM

thanks for the replies. so it is true, a unit poisoned in combat will be KIA? if that's true, that makes the slingers nasty nasty nasty.

i think i like them even more. too bad i have already lost about 200 units to "friendly fire".

Immaculate · #5 February 20th, 2012, 03:17 PM

If you click on the unit and get it's 'stat's, you'll see three lines on it at the bottom. One is red and indicates damage. One is blue and indicates fatigue and one is green and indicates poison. Poison will accumulate with successive hits or exposure and be 'applied' over successive turns. When applied, the 'green line' goes down and the unit is damage (making the red line bigger).
I think at the end of combat, poison is applied for another handful of turns and so during that handful of turns, more of that 'green line' gets turned into 'red line' (ie damage). So if there is more 'green line' then the unit has hit points, it will kill the unit.

Note that things like regeneration can counter this obviously.

Note that this effect is similar with banefire or decay aging effects i believe. you will continue to age after the battle for ~4-6 turns which can hand a unit several more afflictions or even kill a unit.

Take all this with a grain of salt; while i think its right, i don't absolutely know so.

parone · #6 February 20th, 2012, 03:30 PM

thanks immaculate. hey, r u the guy that wrote that Arco AAR? if so, that was absolutely *****in. really great read.

Immaculate · #7 February 20th, 2012, 04:39 PM

nope- not me...

i wrote two aars but in both i got beat by the ai- its sort of embarrassing.

parone · #8 February 20th, 2012, 05:53 PM

oh yeah. i remmember. one was with a water nation. i get whipped by the ai 2/3 of the time

Bwaha · #9 February 20th, 2012, 08:14 PM

Try Lanka with a Astral/ Water bless...

Bananadine · #10 February 20th, 2012, 08:17 PM

Yeah, when a battle ends, there are five more rounds (I think it's always five, but like Immaculate I'm not totally sure) of regeneration, reinvigoration, poisoning, decay, and other such lingering processes. Probably freezing and burning too. Everybody on the winning side just stands still and develops, and then the battle really ends. And while this is happening you can see damage numbers (green if it's due to poison) rising from them. Are you seeing your units die then parone? Or do they visibly survive even that? It's my impression that if they survive those five rounds, then the poison will leave them and they'll live, even if they had more poison in them than hit points. Or like if they flee the field while dying of a huge dose of poison, and they manage to reach the end before it kills them... hmm actually I've never been sure what happens to units in that case.