Helicopters
114 Mi-4 - precise name of this variant was Mi-4A. Used from 1958 (some 6/58) until some 1985 at least (now: 62-78) (needs change of first date in formations nos. 43-44).
Normal load is 12 men, max 16 (now: 112) (unit 312 in Russian oob has 116).
All were armed with 12.7mm MG (TKB-481 aka A-12,7), not 7.62mm - it concerns all countries using MG-armed Mi-4 in the game. I suggest to use weapon #177 renamed simply "12.7mm MG" or "..TKB MG" (other units using this weapon in the Polish oob shouldn't use it, BTW)
115 Mi-4 Gunship - Poland used definitely no gunship Mi-4 armed with rockets.
Needs date change in formation 45 - Attack Helicopter should be available from 1973 (Mi-2URN - see farther)
116 SM-2 - wrong name - this is just Mi-2. SM-2 was different helicopter (worth to be added by the way).
According to A.Morgała's book, Mi-2 was used by the armed forces from 3/68 (now 1/66).
117 SM-2 / Malutka - correct name is Mi-2URP. Apart from 4 missiles it has fixed 23mm NS-23 gun (there's no such Class 19 gun in weapons now) and a pivot 7.62mm PKM machine gun (#35?). Actually it takes onboard some 8 missiles, but has to land to reload.
Used from some 1973 (first shown) until 2015 at least (actually, with a gap in 1990-1994) (now: 1/75-91). Although, in later period it should have radio 91 or 93 - used for combat training mainly. Carry would be no more than 4 (108).
Proposed units:
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Mi-2URN - data like #117, but armed with one 23mm NS-23, pivot 7.62mm PKM and 32 x 57mm rockets (2x16). It can be two weapons #189 2x57mm S-5K with 8 shots each including some AP, or 4x57mm S-5K could be created. Used in 1973- some 2015. I suggest to replace Mi-4 gunship with it.
BTW: why not just change weapon #190 4x 57mm S-5 to 4x 57mm S-5K with range 40 and Heat 13, like in Russian OOB?
- Mi-2URPG Gad - like #117, with additional armament of 4 Strela-2 AA missiles #125. Used in some 1987- some 2015.
There could be also URNG version with rockets and Strela.
There was also Mi-2US with single 23mm and 4 x 7.62mm MGS, but I think it's not very useful.
118 Mi-8 - more precise name is Mi-8T. Armed Mi-8T were apparently used only from around 1973 (now: 1/68 - correct date for unarmed ones). Used until now, probably until 120 (12/86).
Mi-8s doesn't carry MG by default and never carried machineguns in the Polish service. On the other hand, it carries as a standard 4x16 tube 57mm rockets, so their number should be doubled or they should be replaced with 4x57mm S-5K. Icon of armed variant should be 1910.
Armed variant probably couldn't take 32 soldiers, especially, that 24 is quoted as normal load, and 32 as overload (4 launchers UB-16 will weigh some 600 kg).
119, 121 Mi-8 / Falanga - Poland never used gunship Mi-8 armed with missiles. It should be replaced with plain unarmed transport variant (used 1968-120, icon 1913)
120 Mi-17 - Polish Mi-17s don't carry a machinegun (as for now at least - there are such ideas for Afghanistan, but if so, it will be 7.62mm pivot one).
Armament carried by Mi-17 as a standard is 192 rockets S-5K (6x32 tube) - could be three weapons 4x57mm S-5K with 16 shots each, or new weapons 8x57mm S-5K with 8 shots.
122 W-3 Sokol - precisely, W-3T Sokol - plain transport variant used by the air force since 7/93 (transport ones were used by the navy since 7/89, but they were few and rather wouldn't operate for land units) (now: 1/89).
123 W-3WA Sokol - it should be available from 5/94 (now: 9/100) (to be precise, W-3W variant was delivered from 5/94, and slightly modified W-3WA was delivered only from mid-1996, but it's more numerous). According to Polish sources, 10 soldiers only can be carried apart from 2-men crew (now crew=3, carry=113) - there are 10 seats [Aeroplan no.5-6/04]. It shouldn't be Attack Helicopter, just an airmobile cavalry mean of transport.
There should be probably more gun ammo - it has 250 rounds (now: 4). It can carry only 20 rockets 80mm (now: 40) in 2x10 launchers (according to a quoted source and photos, they are carried only on two inner hardpoints). In addition to rockets, it can carry only tubes for HE cluster bomblets or minelets on outer hardpoints (little use in the game?) and 7.62mm pivot PKM MG in a window.
4x Strela missiles can be carried only instead of rockets on inner hardpoints, in addition to bomblets (there could be also mixed asymetrical variant of 2x Strela and 10 x 80mm rockets, in addition to bomblets). A photo showing weapons:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...05,_Poland.jpg
It has no special FC system (now: 15) - unit 428 has FC=4. It has no armour at all.
Radio should be 90 or 92 (now: 91) - most common helicopter at the moment.
124 Mi-24D - as a standard it can carry 4 missiles and 128 rockets S-5K (4x32) (now it carries only 32) (Mi-24D in a Russian oob also has too low number of rockets - 64. They are almost always seen with 4x32 tube launchers, sometimes with missiles as well). Used probably until 120 (12/106).
125 Mi-24W - most probably Polish Mi-24s don't carry 80mm rockets at all, I don't recall such photos and Polish Military Equipment book lists only 57mm. So, as a standard it carries only 4 missiles (now 8) and 128 rockets 57mm (now 40 rockets 80mm). Otherwise, 4 missiles and 80 rockets 80mm. Used until 120 (12/106).
126 MI-24PL Pluszcz - despite many talks on Pluszcz program, Polish Mi-24s didn't underwent any significant modernization eventually and plans were abandoned.
356-358 MI-24PL Pluszcz - as above.
One of them could be replaced with cheaper Mi-24D support configuration without AT missiles, only with 128 x 57mm rockets (AT missiles rather aren't useful for Iraq mission).
424 SM-1 - according to Polish sources, withdrawn by 1983 (now: 12/87) (needs change in formation #95). Max speed was only 185km/h (61 instead of 76) - for Mi-1 in all countries.
Proposed unit:
SM-2 (correct one) - like SM-1, but carry=104, available 1961-79, speed=57 (170km/h), pic=29161.
428 W-3W Sokol - gun and pivot MG-armed variant, comments like #123 W-3WA Sokol (crew=2, carry=110, more gun ammo?, no armour). It rather shouldn't be Attack Helicopter, just an airmobile cavalry mean of transport. To be precise, first date of giving to units is 12 May 1994 (4/94).
667 W-3 Sokol - transport variant with pivot MGs - but there's no evidence, that plain transport Sokols (not numerous, anyway) can carry MGs at all (they had no opening windows, unlike W-3W). Other comments like #122 W-3T Sokol.
668 W-3 Sokol - as #667, with newer pivot MGs. Apart from doubtful existence of plain transport Sokols with MGs, it doesn't make much sense, since basic transport helicopters in this period should be armed W-3W.
960 W-3W Sokol - doubled entry of #428?
961 W-3W Sokol - variant with 23mm gun, 57mm rockets and pivot MGs. 57mm rockets are less efficient, than 80mm, but such configuration is used. Other comments like #123 W-3WA Sokol (it also can carry HE bomblets).
962 SW-3W Gluszec - proper name is W-3PL Gluszec [source Raport 9/2007]. Used from late 2008 at best (now 4/107) [source nTW 5/2008]. Can carry 64 rockets 57 mm (4x16) (now: 32), and pivot MGs.
Better option is 40x 80mm S-8 rockets (4x10) (it can replace one of redundant W-3s).
There is also known mixed configuration with 32 x 57mm and 20 x 80mm. It can be also armed with Western 70mm rockets in 4x 7-rocket launchers, but probably they haven't been commissioned in Poland so far.
(My photo of Gluszec weapons:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...c_PICT0134.JPG )
It is also supposed to be transport and support helicopter, not attack one. In this Sokol variant, light armour is correct.
963, 964 SW-3W Huzar - if Spike missiles will be integrated with W-3 (there are such plans), it will be around 2014 (now: 107) and it will be still W-3PL Gluszec (W-3W Huzar was a prototype from late 90s.)
965 EH-101 - fiction, especially from 2006.
966 SW-4 - introduced in 1/2007 (precisely, 12/06) (now: 1/105). Crew should be 1 and carry 4 (now: 2 and 3). It has no formation as for now (Light Helicopter). Might be named SW-4 Puszczyk
(...name looks horribly, isn't it?).
967 Mi-2 Kania - modernization of Mi-2, never used by the army - only Polish Border Guard (I can check, from when).
968 Mi-14 - it's nice, but I don't think that such unit is useful - it's naval anti-sub or SAR helicopter. Anyway, it was used since 6/81 and carries no gun - only torpedoes and depth charges
970 SH-2 Sea Sprite - another nice unit, but of not much use - naval deck A/S helicopter. Their only anti-ground armament is 7.62 mm PK MG, but it was fitted only during a modernization in 2007. They don't carry rockets and are not supposed to do so in the future. Not an "Attack helicopter" definitely. It could probably take 1-2 persons more in sonar operator's cab, but not 8 nor much cargo (108).
I think that's all I've collected on helicopters at the moment...
Michal
Re: Polish OOB 5.5
That's why I wrote, that I had misunderstood.
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