OT: Chess - Page 3

krpeters · #21 December 4th, 2011, 08:24 PM

...on the grand scales of things, unless you're really good, I would guess they wouldn't get "brutalized", they'd do well enough after the first few moves.[/quote]

I had in mind against expert humans. You're right that against ordinary players they'd do well enough, although I do think they would have trouble initially.

Knai · #22 December 5th, 2011, 04:04 AM

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Yes, but are the AI having fun?

Seriously, chess is a game and for normal human beings (& animals) games are a way to have fun while improving some skills. For AI, it's all just number crunching.

Given that the AI isn't actually sentient, it can't have fun. That's like asking if your calculator has fun when you punch numbers in it, it's a tool, not a being. Large scale automated production facilities don't have fun either, it still makes them better at what they do than assembly line workers.

GFSnl · #23 December 5th, 2011, 05:24 AM

Well, me and my calculator get all snuggly when I've been pushing her buttons all day

Scaramuccia · #24 December 5th, 2011, 02:42 PM

Large systems (automated production line, big computer program) are not far from beings.
It is easy for factory(or car) to be in bad mood. Why they couldn't have fun?

WraithLord · #25 December 5th, 2011, 04:42 PM

Knai, I wasn't saying they aren't better at chess. They are, but you miss the point. chess is a game and you play it in order to have fun. Imagine you could auto win every chess game for some moderate effort (not playing - just calculating and querying tables) would you enjoy "playing" like this?

Scaramuccia, perhaps that day will come. It will then be clear that we have created a better race than we are

Deathblob · #26 December 6th, 2011, 12:49 AM

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I used to play as a kid, but with all the modern rules changes it's changed like NFL or soccer, or table-tennis.....

Wait. The rules of chess have changed since you were a kid? How old are you?

Well, like I said, look at what's changed in NFL (or even soccer), it's the same stuff. In the good old days, the Queen could jump over your own blocking piece on an even numbered move, now I gather they've taken that away.......

AFAIK the Queen can still jump over the blocking pieces in the NFL. In fact, there is photographic evidence:

Scaramuccia · #27 December 6th, 2011, 05:46 AM

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Scaramuccia, perhaps that day will come. It will then be clear that we have created a better race than we are

We've done it. Books (or texts in general) are better race than we are.

Knai · #28 December 6th, 2011, 05:54 AM

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Knai, I wasn't saying they aren't better at chess. They are, but you miss the point. chess is a game and you play it in order to have fun. Imagine you could auto win every chess game for some moderate effort (not playing - just calculating and querying tables) would you enjoy "playing" like this?

I probably would. However, the point is that fun is an alien and completely irrelevant concept to a tool. It doesn't have thoughts, or emotions, or anything like that, and as such doesn't matter.

WraithLord · #29 December 6th, 2011, 07:30 AM

I'm just saying I don't envy (nor aspire to be) a hammer for being better than me at putting nails to walls

We are the masters of the machines muhahahaha

or are we now???

JonBrave · #30 December 7th, 2011, 02:59 PM

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AFAIK the Queen can still jump over the blocking pieces in the NFL. In fact, there is photographic evidence:

Nice one! I can't quite see, is that Oakland (or even LA) Raiders @ Chiefs? Looks like older jerseys to me.

In the old days, she wouldn't even have got there, you could hit her in the air before the ball even got to her