POLL - Weakest Among All

[Velusion]

Just curious... why did people rank LA Abysia so poorly?

[Autochthon]

djo said:

Ditto! I haven't even played all those nations yet, much less ranked them.

Yeah, same here - I'm almost getting familiarized with the EA nations. Do you have any inkling of how long it would take to be able to give an informed opinion on all of them?

[SelfishGene]

EA Marverni and Ulm really aren't that bad - it's just that everyone else is better. Marverni has a strong middle game with the new Uber spell Gifts of Heaven (which seems to be the strongest mid-level spell in the game, as it's not too exhausting and kills virtually anything), and Ulm has many stealthy troops with good ranged and melee options. But when you're going up against so many of the powerful units in EA, they get whomped pretty quick unless you've just destroyed their scales and taken a generic SC pretender like every other weak nation. Bare-chested warriors seem an implausible unit, as their weakness to ranged fire makes them extremely expensive, low-morale chaff. I'd rather have a line of Ctis' 10/10 City Guards myself if i need a rearguard.

I like Tien Chi despite their weaknesses. Not having a death caster hurts in the long run though.

[Gandalf Parker]

I also agree that it would be nice to see the results without having to add to it

[Meglobob]

EA Marverni and MA Ulm do very much deserve the votes they both got.

MA Ulm is weak all the way through the game, they need a HUGE amount of good luck, more than luck-3 can provide. To do well as MA Ulm you after hope you get neighbours you can fight, ie...no tramplers, no strong bless nation. You also need to get incredibly lucky on site searching, so you have some kind of late game.

EA Marverni is very weak in the early game. Mid/late game are not too bad because of the strong astral/earth magic. However, they will usually be knocked out early or be stuck with a small kingdom, which will wither away.

EA Ulm and LA Ulm are getting tarred with same brush as MA Ulm which is unfair. EA Ulm/LA Ulm are both decent nations. LA Ulm is a excellent blood hunting nation, with a excellent spy/mage leader, a free chaff creating leader and tough troops. EA Ulm has access to a bless strategy of its own, still has the forge bonus but with more magic paths to take advantage, those warrior maidens are decent and they have good nature magic, along with access to several different paths.

MA Agartha is weak'ish early on but does have some strong possibilities later. It could do with a few more leader/mage units. EA Agartha/LA Agartha are perfectly balanced nations.

MA T'ien C'hi is not that bad either and is going to get strengthed in the upcoming patch, same with MA Mictlan.

As far as LA Abysia is concerned, just compare MA Abysia with LA Abysia, then you realize why they got so many votes.

[Humakty]

Meglobob, your comments seem clever enougth so I have almost nothing to had, except on two points :
-I never won a game with EA agartha, and I still wonder how people do....
-LA Abysia will also be changed in next patch, for the moment they can easily control twenty provinces before having a MAJOR logistic pbm (mages capital only)(I don't consider a 1X thing to be a mage)(if only it was blood!!).
I consider them even weaker than MA Ulm, but its my own sensibility.

[sum1lost]

Take advantage of ea agartha's summons. And use earth buffs like 'army of lead' without reservation.